Pitt/OKState clock error

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

On the men's side, there's a question of whether we should allow the sub or not. It doesn't seem like an inadvertant whistle, and it's not a timing problem; so the sub is ok, right? Well, no. We got a clarification saying not to allow the sub.

Who did we get a clarification from?

As I recall when this rule defining what we can do with subs when the clock's stopped after FG came out 3 or 4 yrs ago we were told that subs *can* enter on a whistle for a loose ball. Seemed a silly distinction to me at the time, and I agree the wording is better on the women's side.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

As I recall when this rule defining what we can do with subs when the clock's stopped after FG came out 3 or 4 yrs ago we were told that subs *can* enter on a whistle for a loose ball.

Maybe I'm remembering it backwards. But I thought that the clarification was that since the clock was stopped anyway due to the successful basket, it was considered an inadvertant whistle if the official blew the whistle to retrieve the ball. Since it was inadvertant, we were not to allow any subs.

Have I mis-remembered?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Maybe I'm remembering it backwards. But I thought that the clarification was that since the clock was stopped anyway due to the successful basket, it was considered an inadvertant whistle if the official blew the whistle to retrieve the ball. Since it was inadvertant, we were not to allow any subs.

Have I mis-remembered?

I agree with Scrapper on this one. Women's wording makes it clear there are only certain circumstances for which to allow a sub. The Men's wording is only stating 2 specific incidents when you cannot allow a sub.

So let's discuss this situation. Under 59.9 seconds, after a made basket, before ball is at disposal of thrower-in, Coach requests a correctable error review. Coach wins his correctable error case so is not charged with a time-out. Now, do we, or do we not, allow subs to enter the game?

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Maybe I'm remembering it backwards. But I thought that the clarification was that since the clock was stopped anyway due to the successful basket, it was considered an inadvertant whistle if the official blew the whistle to retrieve the ball. Since it was inadvertant, we were not to allow any subs.

Have I mis-remembered?

This is what bothered me about this...the ball's dead & the clock's stopped anyway so why a need to blow the whistle - I guess if the ball rolls way under the stands or out the gym door? But, as I recall we were told *if* you blow the whistle in this case let the subs in. And we were told the woman's rule was different.

I can't recall hearing or reading this has been changed. If you have a clarification why don't you send the link to me?

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

If you have a clarification why don't you send the link to me?

I don't, but I will look later this week.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

So let's discuss this situation. Under 59.9 seconds, after a made basket, before ball is at disposal of thrower-in, Coach requests a correctable error review. Coach wins his correctable error case so is not charged with a time-out. Now, do we, or do we not, allow subs to enter the game?

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[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

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You listed the rule yourself. Is your case a time when a sub cannot enter? I just don't see why this is so confusing to you.

• Art. 7. (Men) Substitution shall not be allowed when the game is stopped
  in the last 59.9 seconds of the second half or any extra period to correct a
  timing mistake or for an inadvertent whistle.

• Art. 7. (Women) Substitutions shall not be allowed when the game is
  stopped in the last 59.9 seconds of the second half or any extra period for
  anything other than a timeout, a violation or a foul.

[Raymond]

So let's discuss this situation. Under 59.9 seconds, after a made basket, before ball is at disposal of thrower-in, Coach requests a correctable error review. Coach wins his correctable error case so is not charged with a time-out. Now, do we, or do we not, allow subs to enter the game?

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

You listed the rule yourself. Is your case a time when a sub cannot enter? I just don't see why this is so confusing to you.

• Art. 7. (Men) Substitution shall not be allowed when the game is stopped
  in the last 59.9 seconds of the second half or any extra period to correct a
  timing mistake or for an inadvertent whistle.

• Art. 7. (Women) Substitutions shall not be allowed when the game is
  stopped in the last 59.9 seconds of the second half or any extra period for
  anything other than a timeout, a violation or a foul.

So in NCAA-M you obviously can allow a sub. But in NCAA-W it would seem you can't.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

So in NCAA-M you obviously can allow a sub. But in NCAA-W it would seem you can't.

That's how I read it.