What would it take for a double T on a 13 year old boy?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Old School

No, you and the others are.

Then you need to say this to the multiple D1 officials that told me this directly at camps or in conversation. Not saying they are right, but I bet they are working games you have not worked and there is more at stake for their mistakes.

Originally Posted by Old School

Judging by all of your posts, maybe you need to start.

Bingo! Point made! That is all I am trying to convey.

It only took six pages and a ton of insults. Believe it or not, you guys are improving. There is hope for you old dogs to learn something new.

Go back to the rec league and try that crap there. It is obvious you are a wannabe trying to prove you know something. Maybe your real name is JMO.

Peace

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Funny, you said in another thread that you loved the way we handled that situation...on a second half T.

http://forum.officiating.com/showthr...492#post359492

I don't think what I posted was that much different from what you said and what I agreed with. You told the coach he must sit and showed him your back side. What is the problem with that? It is funny how nobody has mentioned why an official should be beside a coach in the second half. I actually know why, but whatever.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Old School

Nobody is saying that you have to calm down a coach. No one is saying this at all. However, you do need to process some people skills. If a coach asks you a question, you are obligated to answer the question. If you ignore the coach, even in a tense situation, that looks worse, imo. Coaches will become even more irate if you ignore them. That is a proven fact.

Now let's play this out a minute. Coach is ejected. Coach tells his boss A/D that those officials wouldn't answer my questions, they ignored me and then gave me a T for complaining too much. A/D calls assigner after reviewing game tape and asks the assigner, why did your officials not answer my coaches questions? We accept the T and ejection but I'm a little concerned that the crew you send over here is too inexperienced to work at this level. We do not want officials that are too intimidated that they can't answer a direct question from our coach in the heat of battle.


You are the only one that is saying this. You obviously have no people skills, whatsoever. Quick lesson. If someone is yelling at you, and you respond back in a calm manner, it has a tendency to calm the person that is yelling. Another proven fact. Customer communications 101. No one is advocating calming down an irate coach, at least I'm not. Responding too direct questions from a coach is a must, and they will come right after a technical, expect them to come right after a T, which is why I suggest calling official go opposite table in 3 person. In 2-person, calling official can go administrator FT's.

You sir, Removed by Tomegun. Don't get it twisted and think people skills will take the place of officiating skills. Some officials have to talk their way out of more stuff because of what they do. You are probably clueless on the court.

[Adam]

Dr., I think we're ready for a diagnosis now.

Narcissistic Delusions of Grandeur projecting his faults onto others around him.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by tomegun

I don't think what I posted was that much different from what you said and what I agreed with. You told the coach he must sit and showed him your back side. What is the problem with that? It is funny how nobody has mentioned why an official should be beside a coach in the second half. I actually know why, but whatever.

Mechanically, my partner and I administered the FTs backwards...this is 2 person...and instead of being at the normal trail location I was near the division line, tableside.

Most of the players are at or near the division line while you shoot a T, so being high at trail makes observing them easier, and doing so from tableside puts you around 15 feet from the coach, a good range so that they feel you can hear them and close enough for you to deliver the seatbelt message without being right beside them.

It also puts you right there for when a table asks if that T counts as a team foul, which happens from time-to-time too.

And to show you we are on the same page...a first half T in 3 person, puts the trail right beside the coach that got banged...2nd half mechanically, you'd be beside the shooting teams coach.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Old School

It is obvious that you can't handle the truth. You can't handle a different way of resolving a problem, you can't handle someone challenging your position. You are true to the bone, pigheaded, know-it-all officials. Keep doing what you do because you make it possible for guys like me to move up. Reason, fresh new ideas....

First of all I do not care what position you take, I feel it is a dumb position you are taking. If you want to jump up and down and get in the way of the coach and your partner and it works for you, be my guest. I do not give a damn what you do. I am just pointing out those officials that work games at a higher level than most here do not agree with your position. Also I do not give out a lot of Ts because I do not have to. And when I speak to coaches, they do not challenge many things I say. I never have to calm down a coach, I tell them what took place and I tell them I will find out information from other officials when needed. And depending on where you claim you are moving up to, it is not going to go over well if you are trying to justify something to a coach about a veterans call. But you seemed to know better than anyone. It is not like you are not talking to a lot of very experience officials on this site. You just have proven that you know nothing about officiating and trying to convince the rest of us you do. Now that is the truth, can you handle those apples?

Peace

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Mechanically, my partner and I administered the FTs backwards...this is 2 person...and instead of being at the normal trail location I was near the division line, tableside.

Most of the players are at or near the division line while you shoot a T, so being high at trail makes observing them easier, and doing so from tableside puts you around 15 feet from the coach, a good range so that they feel you can hear them and close enough for you to deliver the seatbelt message without being right beside them.

It also puts you right there for when a table asks if that T counts as a team foul, which happens from time-to-time too.

And to show you we are on the same page...a first half T in 3 person, puts the trail right beside the coach that got banged...2nd half mechanically, you'd be beside the shooting teams coach.

OK, no problem with that. Your 15 feet distance also means the coach will have to be pretty loud to continue whatever got him/her the T in the first place.

I only asked about where an official should be in the second half because other people have posted about being beside the coach after a T is given and there is no reason to be beside a coach (who just got a T) in the second half.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by tomegun

I only asked about where an official should be in the second half because other people have posted about being beside the coach after a T is given and there is no reason to be beside a coach (who just got a T) in the second half.

Except if he/she asks you a question.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Old School

Except if he/she asks you a question.

He or she just got a technical foul and I've been doing this long enough to know better; obviously you don't know better. If the question has to do with the technical foul, my partner will be over there soon to answer any questions about the technical. If it doesn't have anything to do with the technical, it can wait.

I have to go - I have to go and work on my people skills on the court. Old School, this officiating thing might not be for you.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Maybe your real name is JMO.

Naw, just his posting name at McGriffs. Hey, he's doing exactly what he did at McGriffs too. Argue with everybody about basics. We've already established from other threads that he doesn't own any rulebooks, case books or the MANUAL, which is all you need to know about his claims about being an official. He keeps the masquerade going though. Unbelievable.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

First of all I do not care what position you take. Yes you do, that's why you keep responding..

If you want to jump up and down and get in the way of the coach and your partner and it works for you, be my guest. Where did I ever say this? Let's not make up stuff.

I am just pointing out those officials that work games at a higher level than most here do not agree with your position. Don't care, it is okay to disagree.

Also I do not give out a lot of Ts because I do not have to. Don't recall ever asking you if you did.

I never have to calm down a coach. My position is not to calm down a coach. I have stated that fairly clearly numerous times.

And depending on where you claim you are moving up to, it is not going to go over well if you are trying to justify something to a coach about a veterans call. I would never try to justify another referee's call. either I have definite knowledge or I don't. If I don't I say I don't.

But you seemed to know better than anyone. No, this is your perception.

You just have proven that you know nothing about officiating and trying to convince the rest of us you do. No! again, you are the one trying to do all the convincing here. I merely state my position and stand by it, period.

Now, can you handle those apples?

Peace

A wise man once said, be weary of those who try to lift themselves at the expense of others!

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

We've already established from other threads that he doesn't own any rulebooks, case books or the MANUAL, which is all you need to know about his claims about being an official. He keeps the masquerade going though. Unbelievable.

A wise man once said, don't believe everything you read.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

A wise man once said, don't believe everything you read.

I don't believe anything that I read of yours, JMO. I guess that makes me a wise man, eh?

[Old School]

Originally Posted by tomegun

He or she just got a technical foul and I've been doing this long enough to know better; obviously you don't know better. If the question has to do with the technical foul, my partner will be over there soon to answer any questions about the technical. If it doesn't have anything to do with the technical, it can wait.

How would you know what the question is about if you don't go over there and find out? I will go out my way to acknowledge (not so much answer) a coaches question. If I'm in transistion, or I don't know the answer, I will tell the coach I will get back to him, and then follow-thru on that statement. Even if it's not until the next day.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Old School

How would you know what the question is about if you don't go over there and find out? I will go out my way to acknowledge (not so much answer) a coaches question. If I'm in transistion, or I don't know the answer, I will tell the coach I will get back to him, and then follow-thru on that statement. Even if it's not until the next day.

Stop it! You're making my stomach hurt. This is just too funny. This is so over the top your cover is about to be blown.