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[Texas Aggie]

A "pass" is defined as a movement of the ball -- thrown, batted, or rolled -- to another player (Aggie paraphrase; 4-31). There's no requirement that the ball be caught by the other player. If it hits him in the back while he's OOB and the ball stays OOB, then we are still OK. As long as we don't have a throw in violation (5 seconds, passing the ball onto the court, etc.) or a "caused to go OOB" violation (player touching the ball OOB while being inbounds, etc.), and the ball is thrown, batted, or rolled to another player, we are OK. Play on.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

A "pass" is defined as a movement of the ball -- thrown, batted, or rolled -- to another player (Aggie paraphrase; 4-31). There's no requirement that the ball be caught by the other player. If it hits him in the back while he's OOB and the ball stays OOB, then we are still OK. As long as we don't have a throw in violation (5 seconds, passing the ball onto the court, etc.) or a "caused to go OOB" violation (player touching the ball OOB while being inbounds, etc.), and the ball is thrown, batted, or rolled to another player, we are OK. Play on.

Just to add to this; if the ball hits A2 in the back (he's OOB) and bounces directly inbounds without touching the floor OOB, this bounce is now the throwin and must be touched inbounds next by anyone but A2 to avoid a throwin violation.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Just to add to this; if the ball hits A2 in the back (he's OOB) and bounces directly inbounds without touching the floor OOB, this bounce is now the throwin and must be touched inbounds next by anyone but A2 to avoid a throwin violation.

Are you sure about that? Did A2 really make a throw-in pass? Did he throw, bat, or roll the ball onto the court?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Are you sure about that? Did A2 really make a throw-in pass? Did he throw, bat, or roll the ball onto the court?

Nothing says he can't bat it with his head.

[jmaellis]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Nothing says he can't bat it with his head.

I'm trying to follow this. I got the running the end line thing down .. as long as the ball is passed between players who are out of bounds along the end line it's okay as long as there are not any other throw in violations like 5 seconds or stepping in bounds while holding the ball.

What I'm having a hard time with is the scenario in which the ball is passed from A1 who is OOB behind he end line to A2 who is also OOB behind the end line but on the way it hits A3 on the back or head (or whatever?) while A3 has one foot OOB and one foot inbounds. Is this not a throw in violation considering A3 had a foot in bounds? If it isn't a violation how does it differ from a scenario where A1 step inbounds while still holding the ball?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Nothing says he can't bat it with his head.

Wanna bet?

4-15-1 . . . A dribble is ball movement caused by a player in control who bats (intentionally strikes the ball with the hand(s)) or pushes the ball to the floor once or several times.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Wanna bet?

4-15-1 . . . A dribble is ball movement caused by a player in control who bats (intentionally strikes the ball with the hand(s)) or pushes the ball to the floor once or several times.

Howinthetheheck did you go from the throw-in pass that Snaqs was talking about to a dribble?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Howinthetheheck did you go from the throw-in pass that Snaqs was talking about to a dribble?

That just happens to be where the term bat is defined in the NFHS rules book. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear anywhere else.

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP

Alright, I have to confess that I did mean (but left out in post #30, apparently in my haste to type it out) that the player had one foot out of bounds and one foot inbounds. - Nevada's correct in his/her assumption.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Wanna bet?

4-15-1 . . . A dribble is ball movement caused by a player in control who bats (intentionally strikes the ball with the hand(s)) or pushes the ball to the floor once or several times.

Unless I see a clear ruling that tells me it's a violation, I'm letting it go. Trying to determine whether a bat is a bat is a legal throwin pass doesn't get me there.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Unless I see a clear ruling that tells me it's a violation, I'm letting it go. Trying to determine whether a bat is a bat is a legal throwin pass doesn't get me there.

A "dribble" is a "throw-in" doesn't get me there either.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Are you sure about that? Did A2 really make a throw-in pass? Did he throw, bat, or roll the ball onto the court?

You tell me. Do you regard the ball going off his body as being a "throw-in pass" or not?