force out call ?

[BTTB]

The answer to your question Mr. bbcowboy is that this particular situation, which is very common, is almost routinely miscalled (at least in the PAC-10). The rules call for either a change of possession or a foul. Invariably, neither is called.

Billy Packer was perhaps describing the extra-legal resolution of the situation as "forced-out" but he's not responsible for enforcing the rule. Some posters in this forum just don't like Billy Packer, that's all.

BTTB

[BktBallRef]

That's true. I don't like Billy Packer.

It's true that there's no such thing as a forceout.

Finally, it's also true that there are a lot of moronic fans who don't understand officiating, the rules or how to apply them.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by BTTB

Some posters in this forum just don't like Billy Packer, that's all.

BTTB

You're response would imply that some posters here do like Billy Packer. I wouldn't put money on that

[canuckrefguy]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

You're response would imply that some posters here do like Billy Packer. I wouldn't put money on that

I think what he's implying is that, for once, Packer maybe got it right, and that people on this board would rather slam their hand in a car door than admit that.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy

I think what he's implying is that, for once, Packer maybe got it right, and that people on this board would rather slam their hand in a car door than admit that.

Now that's a little harsh. The choice wouldn't be quite so easy as you imply.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy

I think what he's implying is that, for once, Packer maybe got it right, and that people on this board would rather slam their hand in a car door than admit that.

Are you serious? Mr. Packer was correct when he said the official called a "force-out"? The official may have booted the call or may have given the ball back to A1 b/c he missed the foul or didn't want to call a foul. But that offiicial did not call a "force out", I guarantee you that.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Mr. Packer was correct when he said the official called a "force-out"? The official may have booted the call or may have given the ball back to A1 b/c he missed the foul or didn't want to call a foul. But that offiicial did not call a "force out", I guarantee you that.

Giving the ball back to the offense because the contact is not sufficient to call a foul is a force-out. We don't call it that anymore because it's no longer in the rules. But that's what it is.

[OHBBREF]

Just a couple of silly questions here? -

If the contact was enough to cause the player to go OOB - would that not be sufficient enough to be a foul?
or
If the contact was sufficient enough to cause the player to lose control of the ball OOB would that not be a foul?

This contact seems suffucient enough to have affected the play - so if you choose to give the ball back to the team responsible for the ball being OOB (last touch) then you are setting aside a rule.

I understand where the other comments are coming from light contact is not always called - however we rule it incedental because it has no real effect on the play this does not seem to be the case here.

[eyezen]

The way I envision it is - reward good defense and punish bad defense:

a) Good defense - A out of bounds, should of pulled up, ball going the other way to B

b) bad defense - push, block, hand check, etc, etc on B

In the couple of camps I've been to I've never been exposed to the "force-out" concept.

But it may be a regional thing.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Giving the ball back to the offense because the contact is not sufficient to call a foul is a force-out. We don't call it that anymore because it's no longer in the rules. But that's what it is.

The official did not call a FORCE OUT!!!

[mick]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The official did not call a FORCE OUT!!!

...And that is what Scrapper1 noted.
It isn't verbalized, ...yet it is what it is.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The official did not call a FORCE OUT!!!

As Jurassic's old school-chum Bill once wrote, "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet".

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BTTB

[FONT="Arial Narrow"][B]The answer to your question Mr. bbcowboy is that this particular situation, which is very common, is almost routinely miscalled (at least in the PAC-10). The rules call for either a change of possession or a foul. Invariably, neither is called.

Billy Packer was perhaps describing the extra-legal resolution of the situation as "forced-out" but he's not responsible for enforcing the rule. Some posters in this forum just don't like Billy Packer, that's all.

What are your credentials to state that PAC10 officials routinely and invariably miscall this play?

1) NCAA D1 official?
2) Fanboy who has never officiated a game in his life?

I await your response. From your previous posts however, until then I think that I'll go with Door #2.