White undershirts

[Smitty]

I just posed the question to my assignor and he responded "If it is a different color and it shows, they have to remove it." So I guess here in Portland, if you can see it at all, it has to be removed. That's pretty much what I've been doing all along anyway, but I just wanted to be sure.

[Ignats75]

Originally Posted by Smitty

"If it is a different color and it shows, they have to remove it."

Which puts a whole different spin on my smartass comment!!!!

[Junker]

Originally Posted by Smitty

I just posed the question to my assignor and he responded "If it is a different color and it shows, they have to remove it." So I guess here in Portland, if you can see it at all, it has to be removed. That's pretty much what I've been doing all along anyway, but I just wanted to be sure.

That's the way we do it on my crew. Last night, the visiting varsity team had 3 players with white t-shirts sticking out. I didn't catch it (I was R) until they took off the warm ups. I went out as soon as they were finished with introductions, had them leave the gym quickly, and get them off. The only comment from their coach was yelling at them for not paying attention to the rule. Along with that, the Home team had 3 guys that were told 3 times to get their shirts in and keep them in. At the end of the 1st period, the starting center tried to check back into the game after being on the bench. He came in with his shirt out and I sent him right back to the bench. I told the coach we had talked to them 3 times about the shirts so the coach ripped him a new one. The rest of the night they were pretty good about checking their shirts. That was about it for excitement, the final score was 84-19 home team.

[SmokeEater]

Originally Posted by Smitty

I just posed the question to my assignor and he responded "If it is a different color and it shows, they have to remove it." So I guess here in Portland, if you can see it at all, it has to be removed. That's pretty much what I've been doing all along anyway, but I just wanted to be sure.

This is almost exactly what my assignor told me on Monday. I went on the assumption that sleeves had to match but if they were hemmed and capped above the shoulder they could stay on. I also never worried about necklines either. I will now, however.

[Mark Padgett]

It's the sleeves that matter. The entire point of the rule is to avoid confusion on such things as 3 second calls. If you are lead and there are players standing sideways in a crowd in the lane, sometimes all you can see is a sleeve. If it's the "wrong" color, you could make the "wrong" call.

I know it sounds petty, but I was told once that was one of the main reasons for that rule.

[Mwanr1]

what about Grey undershirt? or Tank-tops? Do you guys considered those "white?"


Another question - what about long socks? Is it legal to wear different color long socks?

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by Mwanr1

what about Grey undershirt? or Tank-tops? Do you guys considered those "white?"


Another question - what about long socks? Is it legal to wear different color long socks?

Personally I do not consider that grey is similar in color to white.

Socks have no restriction.

[Mwanr1]

Here's another thing. Inthe beginning of a JV game I asked a player to remove his undershirt as it does not match the uniform. The player quickly removed his jersey and shirt at the visual confines playing area (he did it right in front of me). By rules, should I enforced a "T" on that player for removing his jersey? Or does the "removing of the jersey in visual confines playing area" rule applies only during the game?

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by Mwanr1

Here's another thing. Inthe beginning of a JV game I asked a player to remove his undershirt as it does not match the uniform. The player quickly removed his jersey and shirt at the visual confines playing area (he did it right in front of me). By rules, should I enforced a "T" on that player for removing his jersey? Or does the "removing of the jersey in visual confines playing area" rule applies only during the game?

By rule that is a "T". Try this next time. Go up to the player and quietly ask him to step out of the gym and take off his undershirt. Make it clear he needs to leave the gym before he does it. That will save you a headache or two.

[Jimgolf]

Originally Posted by Mwanr1

Here's another thing. Inthe beginning of a JV game I asked a player to remove his undershirt as it does not match the uniform. The player quickly removed his jersey and shirt at the visual confines playing area (he did it right in front of me). By rules, should I enforced a "T" on that player for removing his jersey? Or does the "removing of the jersey in visual confines playing area" rule applies only during the game?

How can you give a technical foul to a player who is following your instructions? That is not the intent of the rule, as you should know. The rule is intended to penalize showboating, unsportsmanlike acts, not for following the official's instructions. If it bothers you, be more careful in your instructions, like saying "Go back to your locker room and remove your undershirt", not just "Take your undershirt off".

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Mwanr1

Here's another thing. Inthe beginning of a JV game I asked a player to remove his undershirt as it does not match the uniform. The player quickly removed his jersey and shirt at the visual confines playing area (he did it right in front of me). By rules, should I enforced a "T" on that player for removing his jersey? Or does the "removing of the jersey in visual confines playing area" rule applies only during the game?

I had this sitch last week. I advised the coach to have the players get out of sight to change. They did. No T.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

It's the sleeves that matter. The entire point of the rule is to avoid confusion on such things as 3 second calls. If you are lead and there are players standing sideways in a crowd in the lane, sometimes all you can see is a sleeve. If it's the "wrong" color, you could make the "wrong" call.

I know it sounds petty, but I was told once that was one of the main reasons for that rule.

That is not the case anymore. During our rules clinic, the NFHS slides showing pictures for the undershirt rule specifically showed a player with a sleeveless undershirt and the only part of the undershirt you could see was the neckline. The fact that Howard says so is all I need to know.