team control during freethrow?

[ctpfive]

the answer key or solutions that referee provides does not have (D) as one of the answers

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by ctpfive

the answer key or solutions that referee provides does not have (D) as one of the answers

Well, then REFEREE is wrong. Again.

REFEREE is not an official rules source and never has been.

[Teigan]

NCAA page BR-79

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by ctpfive

the answer key or solutions that referee provides does not have (D) as one of the answers

4-12-1
A player is in control of the ball when he/she is holding or dribbling a live ball inbounds. There is no player control when, during a jump ball, a jumper catches the ball prior to the ball touching the floor or a non-jumper, or during an interrupted dribble.


During a FT, if a player holding a live ball inbounds? You tell me, ctp5.

[ctpfive]

So, referee is wrong and there is in fact team control during a FT while the shooter is holding the ball. Thank you. I just expected a little more than that from a magazine like referee.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by ctpfive

I just expected a little more than that from a magazine like referee.

Why did you?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

4-12-1
A player is in control of the ball when he/she is holding or dribbling a live ball inbounds. There is no player control when, during a jump ball, a jumper catches the ball prior to the ball touching the floor or a non-jumper, or during an interrupted dribble.


During a FT, is a player holding a live ball inbounds? You tell me, ctp5.

Yabut, if the free thrower isn't holding a live ball, has never held a live ball, his teammates haven't held a live ball, but that live ball is at his disposal ,is theer or is there not team control?

You tell me, anybody.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Yabut, if the free thrower isn't holding a live ball, has never held a live ball, his teammates haven't held a live ball, but that live ball is at his disposal ,is theer or is there not team control?

You tell me, anybody.

Does the word disposal appear in the rule?

4-12-1
A player is in control of the ball when he/she is holding or dribbling a live ball inbounds. There is no player control when, during a jump ball, a jumper catches the ball prior to the ball touching the floor or a non-jumper, or during an interrupted dribble.

You beat me to it BBR

A player is in control when he/she is holding or dribbling a live ball inbounds.

A team is in control when a player of the team is in control.

Therefore, if the ball is merely ay the disposal of the freethrower and not held or dribbled by him/her.........no team control.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by PYRef

A team is in control when a player of the team is in control.

Except a team is still in control, even though a player isn't, during passing activity, an interrupted dribble, or a loose ball.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

Except a team is still in control, even though a player isn't, during passing activity, an interrupted dribble, or a loose ball.

You can't establish team control until you establish player control though, can you?

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You can't establish team control until you establish player control though, can you?

Not as far as I know. I was simply pointing out that you don't have to have player control to have team control. My post was really not germane to this thread at all.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You can't establish team control until you establish player control though, can you?

This question was left open in the thread about rolling the ball. Is it stated anywhere that team control starts only with player control? Team A inbounds the ball, and immediately, without any player catching the ball, advances up the court with a series of touch passes. By definition passing includes players batting or rolling the ball to each other. Also by definition, as stated here earlier, team control includes passing activity. So why would a foul in this situation not be a team control foul?

[Zoochy]

OK here is my thought on a foul while the ball is at the disposal of A1 but A1 has not picked up the ball. I don't care if there actually is or is not team control. Most likely it would be an Intentional foul. Players are either lined up or not lined up. If there is a foul, then no one is making a play on the ball. You probably have players pushing and/or shoving. Thus Intentional Foul. A1 would shoot the original free throw. The shoot the free throws for the Intentional foul. Ball OOB at the spot of the foul.