Falling down with the ball

[FishinRef]

If anyone has a copy of "Seven Deadly Sins of Officiating" published in Referee Magazine, they address this exact sitch. The player can land directly on his/her torso, and even slide without rolling over without a violation if possesion is gained after the player is airborne.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by FishinRef

If anyone has a copy of "Seven Deadly Sins of Officiating" published in Referee Magazine, they address this exact sitch. The player can land directly on his/her torso, and even slide without rolling over without a violation if possesion is gained after the player is airborne.

The case play cited by jdw addresses this situation exactly. Violation.

[FishinRef]

The case play cited by jdw addresses this situation exactly. Violation.

So you are saying that a player can not legally dive for the ball and gain possession without it being a violation unless he/she defys gravity.

A player landing on their back and staying on their back is no different than a player landing on their feet and staying on their feet.

The rule you are emphasizing uses the word FALL. Falling requires that you be standing or upright first.

[Jimgolf]

Originally Posted by FishinRef

So you are saying that a player can not legally dive for the ball and gain possession without it being a violation unless he/she defys gravity.

No, they have to hit the ground, then hold the ball. Gravity is happy with this choice.

4-44-5 . . . A player holding the ball:
a. May not touch the floor with a knee or any other part of the body other than hand or foot.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by FishinRef

So you are saying that a player can not legally dive for the ball and gain possession without it being a violation unless he/she defys gravity.

A player can legally dive for the ball anytime. If they get player control before they hit the floor, then it's a travel when they hit. If they get player control after they hit the floor, they can slide, finish rolling over if they were rolling over, etc. Case book plays 4.44.5SitA&B have good explanations.

Methinks that you should re-read the Referee reference. I'm sure that they wouldn't screw up a basic rule that badly.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Methinks that you should re-read the Referee reference. I'm sure that they wouldn't screw up a basic rule that badly.

You haven't been reading Referee lately then.

[refnrev]

I would hate to call a travel on a kid who showed enough guts and hustle to get control of the ball in the air and then fell down. But that's what I'd do because that's what it is! You've got a travel my friend!

[Kelvin green]

1) Its a travel
2) I hate the rule
3) Even though I hate the rule I call it
4) I have no problems telling a coach its a stupid rule but it has to be called that way
5) Maybe the coaches will get together and change the rule; until then see all of the above!

[Grail]

Originally Posted by FishinRef

If anyone has a copy of "Seven Deadly Sins of Officiating" published in Referee Magazine, they address this exact sitch. The player can land directly on his/her torso, and even slide without rolling over without a violation if possesion is gained after the player is airborne.

Given a choice, I'll accept the ruling from the Case Book before I accept the article in Referee magazine. If I tell the coach to go look it up in a magazine he'll laugh me out of the gym, but if I tell him that the play is directly out of the NFHS casebook he has nothing left to argue about.