Some Clarifications

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

No there isn't, same thing, same signal. You could use the 2 hand push signal with the illegal use of the hands call or the hand check signal.

Lah me, I know that you're not an official and that you don't own a rule book, but the SIGNALS can be found on-line if you look, even though the NFHS rules aren't.

They are NOT the same thing, same signal, TrollBoy.

Signal #28 is ILLEGAL USE OF HAND. Signal #29 is HAND CHECK.They are two completely different signals used for two completely different types of acts. And the "2 hand push signal" is NEITHER! That's a completely different signal- #32 PUSHING OR CHARGING- and that signal is NEVER used in conjunction with the other signals.

As usual, you are un-freaking-believable....

[Old School]

So illegal use of the hands is what we call a HIT when reporting in college. Sorry, I was wrong and stand corrected by the almightly king of the rulebook, JR. You are the best my man....

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Old School

So illegal use of the hands is what we call a HIT when reporting in college.

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[Scrapper1]

Just my two cents on the handcheck vs. illegal use of hands. A handcheck is just one form of illegal use of hands. It's using the hand(s) illegally, usually to impede or redirect the dribbler.

Putting two hands on the dribbler is considered an "automatic" handcheck by many officials. Reaching out to slow down the dribbler on the way to the basket would also be a pretty clear handcheck.

Slapping a player while trying to make a steal would be illegal use of hands, but clearly not a handcheck. Also, contacting the shooter's arm while trying to block the shot would be illegal use of hands.

[refnjoe]

I am also a rookie in my first year, and this has confused me as well, since there is nothing in the RULES that I can find that explains the difference in the use of these signals.

To check my understanding of your responses:
-Signal 29 (hand check) is a more specific call, used mainly (or exclusively?) when a defender reaches in (pardon the use of the words) and makes contact with the dribbler
-If in doubt, I assume it would be safe to use Signal 28?


Thanks to everyone!

Thanks Rutledge and Jurassic. I knew I was right on that one because I've looked at them a million times. That's partly what prompted my question in the first place.
I think I have a clearer picture of the difference now.

Believe it or not, some of these officials also do the JV games. It is pretty hard to watch. Unfortunately, the NFHS Officials manual is apparently not mandatory reading for them.