Is this curse worthy of a "T"?

[Adam]

Play on; unless it's a religious school league in which you've been given explicit instructions otherwise. Don't even warn the coach.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Play on; unless it's a religious school league in which you've been given explicit instructions otherwise. Don't even warn the coach.

The worst language I hear come from Catholic schools. I do not see many people enforcing those kinds of rules with those schools.

Peace

[drinkeii]

I have to say that, even as rules-picky as I am, I would probably be pretty hard pressed to call the T s but I would very likely say something to the coach at some point.

I think some people are missing the point. In NFHS (so I'm not referring to college or pro with this, since I only officiate HS), the sports are defined as an extention of the classroom. No sport permits profanity or obscenity, as none of these are appropriate in a classroom.

That goes double for coaches - it is never appropriate for a teacher to swear at a student - sure, it happens (cant say as I ever have in 11 years of teaching, nor do I remember having any teachers that did), but is it ever appropriate? No. And the rules, and the rules committees, ask us to enforce this, through its inclusion in the rules, and regular, repeat appearances in POE's in many sports yearly.

That said - I still would have trouble calling that one without a warning, but I would very likely give the warning quickly, and then the T just as quickly if it happens again.

JMHO

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by drinkeii

That said - I still would have trouble calling that one without a warning, but I would very likely give the warning quickly, and then the T just as quickly if it happens again.

JMHO

You went through all of that to tell us the same thing? Who really missed the point?

Peace

[rcwilco]

Let me preface my view with the fact that I do not care for foul langauge nor swearing, from partners or those invovled in the game. That said there is no way that I would T up a coach for this, without extenuating circumstances. He can talk to his players and coach, and I will call my game. Without knowing all of the facts, it almost appears your partner was looking for reasons to T, or at the least, way too quick to pull the trigger on a T.

[drinkeii]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You went through all of that to tell us the same thing? Who really missed the point?

Peace

The majority of people who responded to this said "no T" - the rules, and the philosophy of the game as defined by the NFHS, say "T".

Far too many officials I know make up things as they go along, and ignore rules or interpretations they disagree with. That was why I went through all of that.

[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by drinkeii

The majority of people who responded to this said "no T" - the rules, and the philosophy of the game as defined by the NFHS, say "T".

And that is your OPINION, which you are absolutely entitled to.

As others have already said, it's not just what words are used, but how they were used, who they were directed at and the demeanor of the person using them. We weren't there, so there's no way we can judge that except from the original post - there's a big difference between "muttered", as stated in the original post, and "screamed".

Yes there are some words that if uttered loudly enough to be clearly overheard will draw an automatic "T" - IMHO "hell" isn't one of them.

[Junker]

I've never liked the way that rule is written. What is profane and inappropriate can vary widely according to official's own beliefs. Obviously there are things we don't want to hear on the floor, but this can certainly be a grey area. I wouldn't even address a coach saying "what in the hell" to a player.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by drinkeii

The majority of people who responded to this said "no T" - the rules, and the philosophy of the game as defined by the NFHS, say "T".

Far too many officials I know make up things as they go along, and ignore rules or interpretations they disagree with. That was why I went through all of that.

The point I am making is you gave a lecture only to come to the same conclusion. No one here is "ignoring the rules." Everyone that responded was saying that this did not pass the smell test for them.

Peace

[Larks]

I think a word you can hear on broadcast TV 24/7 is not worthy of a T. Thats MY judgment on the matter.

Look, we set aside rules all the time. How many ticky tack travels have all of us passed on in a 65-15 blowout? It happens all the time but the NFHS says we are to call traveling when a player picks up his pivot for example.

Its about COMMON SENSE if you ask me. If you go around calling every infraction in the book every time, you wont be reffing very long at any significant level.

It would be different if the coach used BS or F or GD or my favorite: FinGDBSCSSOB. None of those you hear on TV and all justify somewhere between a warning and a T if they are used loudly enough to be heard.

"Damn" and "Hell" arent on that list.