After Bob Knight again

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

The kid isn't complaining

...neither did the kid who got "abused" by that good looking blonde teacher.
Does that make it right?

LMAO....like they were saying on Fox or CNN News yesterday. If it's a good-looking teacher, it's "ah, it ain't so bad", but if the teacher is unattractive we say "it's terrible what she did to that innocent child".

Same with Knight situation, he's a successful coach who's graduates his players so give him a pass.

[JRutledge]

I do not know if anyone ever saw the antics of Lou Holtz, Roy Williams or many football head coaches that will go unnamed. Williams grabbed a player in anger to get that kid to play defense while the play was live. Lou Holtz grabbed the facemask of a player in clear view of the camera. I did not see anyone at the time go crazy about those actions or talk about those coaches as bullies or being out of control.

Now if you feel the actions are wrong, that is your right. Just do not come here and get mad because Knight does this and ignore all the situations that took place in front of the camera and not say anything. I agree there is a double standard, but the two coaches I referenced are also very successful coaches and the media or the public was not outraged.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not know if anyone ever saw the antics of Lou Holtz, Roy Williams or many football head coaches that will go unnamed. Williams grabbed a player in anger to get that kid to play defense while the play was live. Lou Holtz grabbed the facemask of a player in clear view of the camera. I did not see anyone at the time go crazy about those actions or talk about those coaches as bullies or being out of control.

Now if you feel the actions are wrong, that is your right. Just do not come here and get mad because Knight does this and ignore all the situations that took place in front of the camera and not say anything. I agree there is a double standard, but the two coaches I referenced are also very successful coaches and the media or the public was not outraged.

Peace

That's my point, successful coach = free pass. I'm not saying anyone should be fired for any of these particular/individual offenses, but I get tired hearing "graduates players", "won national championships", "players love him" as the basis of determining whether or not these acts were right or wrong.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

That's my point, successful coach = free pass. I'm not saying anyone should be fired for any of these particular/individual offenses, but I get tired hearing "graduates players", "won national championships", "players love him" as the basis of determining whether or not these acts were right or wrong.

I do not consider the issue as a free pass. The media has been talking about this to infinitum. We are even talking about this and I do not recall when other less successful coaches did similar things that we even talked about it. This suggests to me that the media and many people who will never like Knight will always bring things like this to the forefront of all issues that need to be discussed in our society. This is not much different than what happens to Bonds or Sammy Sosa. You cannot get them on what the record shows, so you create a story and start talking about right and wrong, but you have no evidence to nail them to the wall. Just like Bonds, he has never failed a test or never had a smoking gun found directly at his feet, but we have speculated and want to take action based on what we "think" happen. The same thing is with Knight. The player did not have a problem with the action nor did his parents that saw the play live and in the arena. But the self-righteous media (who never played much of anything in most cases on that level) want to start telling all of us what is right and wrong and what should or should not happen.

Let me let the people who never played sports in on a little secret. Stop comparing what would happen in a classroom to what happens in an athletic event. Since I cannot recall that I have ever heard much foul language in a classroom (there might have been a teacher or two, but I do not remember for sure) but I hear foul and abusive language all the time from the participants and fans all the time at sporting events. But instead of getting outraged about this, we get upset at Coach Knight.

Peace

[Scrapper1]

JMO, but striking a subordinate is almost always wrong. Striking one's student (unless the teacher is being attacked) is always wrong. Always. The very nature of the relationship discourages the subordinate from making any kind of grievance. Knight is a bully, in my opinion. He probably shouldn't be fired for this particular incident of striking a student; but then, I never would've hired him in the first place.

[Junker]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

LMAO....like they were saying on Fox or CNN News yesterday. If it's a good-looking teacher, it's "ah, it ain't so bad", but if the teacher is unattractive we say "it's terrible what she did to that innocent child".

As the folks in South Park say, "Nice.....nice."