After Bob Knight again

[Chess Ref]

I got myself all fired up on little bobby so I promise to myself and the world this is my last post on bobby.

The end results are in -bobby graduates his players, he wins basketball games and does all these wonderful things for humanity. No argument there.

I just wish he would do all this without the gently lifted jaws, the broken noses, throwing of chairs etc.......

Kind of like say a Coach K.

[JRutledge]

Yeah, Coach K is an angel. Cursus out officials, calls officials names and threatens them, but that is OK because the media likes him.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Chess Ref

good grief is right ! What part of no hitting other people doesn't little bobby get ? So if a coach did that to you cause he didn't like a call you made it would be okay cause you voluntarily went there to ref ? I think its a reasonable expectation that little bobby would keep his hands to himself.
Big fat blowhard in position of authority , hits people not in position of authority =BIg FAT BLOWHARD BULLY...

Ah, now you're just projecting.

I'm a lifelong Hawkeye fan, so I have no love for coach Knight. I watched the whole "Knight-Alford feud" play out over the last few years, and thought less of Knight for it. Although I have found his interviews to be funny over the years; he has also been verbally abusive to reporters and such. He's not a nice guy.

But this whole kerfuffle is just stupid. You don't execute a man for doing 60 mph in a 55 mph zone just because he has a reputation of driving 180 mph. This thing with the chin? It's just 60 mph.

He's a very confrontational coach. No surprise there. The kid wasn't looking up, Knight wanted him to and he needed it to happen quickly. Did you even see the video?

[Adam]

Well said, Rut.

[Texas Aggie]

For the life of me, I can't believe all the Knight apologists here and elsewhere. Does he deserve to be executed for this latest incident? No, but that doesn't mean it was right or even "no big deal." It is a big deal, and the fact that the player isn't saying anything about it means nothing. I guess he just wants to keep his scholarship. Big surprise there.

This incident is symptomatic. Knight is out of control. I'm surprised ESPN is making hey out of this as they are the ones that started the Knight rehabilitation tour with that walk-on documentary. Yes, I watched it, and I came away from it thinking Knight mugged for the camera.

An attack on Knight is NOT an attack on disciplinary coaching. Its an attack on thuggery.

[Raymond]

Well, I finally saw a replay of the "gentle lifting of the jaw".

JMO, but it was out of line. He popped the kid in the chin, he didn't lift the kids head to ensure eye contact. If that was my child, I would have been happy to see him shove Knight back on his @$$ or would have gladly done it myself after the game.

If Knight felt it necessary to resort to a physical act to get the kid's attention, he could have poked him in the chest or grabbed the kid by his arm. But that pop to the chin was done out of anger IMO.

[Adam]

Okay, I've seen the replay a few times, I seriously don't think it's that big a deal. if you want to see him fired over it; so be it. all we can do is ask the player what he thinks and move on. He's an adult; and I'm guessing he could get a scholarship elsewhere if that was his only concern.
Attacking coach Knight for this incident is not an attack on thuggery. Knight may be an a$$, but I'd hardly call him a thug. And this is not assault. Good grief.

[Dan_ref]

Apologies to Stephen Foster

I don't care about Bobby Knight
Doo-da Doo-da
I don't care if he's wrong or right
Oh de doo-dah day

They'll play this clip all night
They'll play this clip all day
But I don't care about Bobby Knight
So STFU about it already.

[RookieDude]

Originally posted by Jimgolf

"The kid isn't complaining"

...neither did the kid who got "abused" by that good looking blonde teacher.
Does that make it right?

[JRutledge]

Everyone in the world do not react the same to types of actions. Some of us grew up with coaches just like that and we do not see the problem. It is not a big deal to me because if that is all that Coach Knight did then I find people that are offended as part of the problem with have in this society. Now you might not have liked what he did, but the kid and the parents could have made an issue out of this. Coach Knight would not have the power to just get rid of a kid's scholarship for what you consider an assault.

We have kids that talk back to all forms of authority. I know players say thing we would have never imagined on the court or do things we would have never imagined. You might not like the style, but there was a time when participants were much more respectful of the game and the officials working. BTW, every single official that I have talked to about Coach Knight and actually officiated with him, liked the man and thought he was one of the fairest coaches they worked with.

The main factor is that Knight is not nice to the media. If he was nicer to the media or did not call them out for asking stupid questions and trying to make mountains out of molehills, he might be loved by them. The media likes people that are nice to them. When they are nice to them, they go out of their way to make them seem better people than they really are behind the seems. All I can say is the people that played for Knight love him and they dealt with him much more than you or me. If his players hated his guts, then I might go there with you.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

The kid isn't complaining

...neither did the kid who got "abused" by that good looking blonde teacher.
Does that make it right?

LMAO....like they were saying on Fox or CNN News yesterday. If it's a good-looking teacher, it's "ah, it ain't so bad", but if the teacher is unattractive we say "it's terrible what she did to that innocent child".

Same with Knight situation, he's a successful coach who's graduates his players so give him a pass.

[JRutledge]

I do not know if anyone ever saw the antics of Lou Holtz, Roy Williams or many football head coaches that will go unnamed. Williams grabbed a player in anger to get that kid to play defense while the play was live. Lou Holtz grabbed the facemask of a player in clear view of the camera. I did not see anyone at the time go crazy about those actions or talk about those coaches as bullies or being out of control.

Now if you feel the actions are wrong, that is your right. Just do not come here and get mad because Knight does this and ignore all the situations that took place in front of the camera and not say anything. I agree there is a double standard, but the two coaches I referenced are also very successful coaches and the media or the public was not outraged.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not know if anyone ever saw the antics of Lou Holtz, Roy Williams or many football head coaches that will go unnamed. Williams grabbed a player in anger to get that kid to play defense while the play was live. Lou Holtz grabbed the facemask of a player in clear view of the camera. I did not see anyone at the time go crazy about those actions or talk about those coaches as bullies or being out of control.

Now if you feel the actions are wrong, that is your right. Just do not come here and get mad because Knight does this and ignore all the situations that took place in front of the camera and not say anything. I agree there is a double standard, but the two coaches I referenced are also very successful coaches and the media or the public was not outraged.

Peace

That's my point, successful coach = free pass. I'm not saying anyone should be fired for any of these particular/individual offenses, but I get tired hearing "graduates players", "won national championships", "players love him" as the basis of determining whether or not these acts were right or wrong.

[Junker]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

LMAO....like they were saying on Fox or CNN News yesterday. If it's a good-looking teacher, it's "ah, it ain't so bad", but if the teacher is unattractive we say "it's terrible what she did to that innocent child".

As the folks in South Park say, "Nice.....nice."

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Apologies to Stephen Foster

I don't care about Bobby Knight
Doo-da Doo-da
I don't care if he's wrong or right
Oh de doo-dah day

They'll play this clip all night
They'll play this clip all day
But I don't care about Bobby Knight
So STFU about it already.

Or alternatively.....