Refresher Question Wrong

[RefLarry]

has anybody else dicovered any other answer(s) incorrect on the exam? I recently learned the key has 2 or 3 incorrect answers.

[BillyMac]

According to our board secretary/treasurer and our board interpreter, there are three mistakes on the IAABO 2006 Refresher Exam Answer And Reference Sheet. This information came out of a board Refresher Exam study session:

Question #15: Correct answer should be YES.

Question #49: Correct answer should be NO.

Question #80: Correct answer should be NO.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

According to our board secretary/treasurer and our board interpreter, there are three mistakes on the IAABO 2006 Refresher Exam Answer And Reference Sheet. This information came out of a board Refresher Exam study session:

Question #15: Correct answer should be YES.

Question #49: Correct answer should be NO.

Question #80: Correct answer should be NO.

Three out of how many? This seem unacceptable now matter how many.

[BktBallRef]

Personally, I don't like the answer to #13 or #33.

[Nevadaref]

Tony,
Please post the questions!

[Raymond]

13. While the official passes team A’s bench, someone from the bench utters uncomplimentary language. The official is not able to designate which bench personnel uttered the words. Official charges a technical foul to the head coach. Is the official correct?

33. A–1 after receiving the ball, places the ball on the floor and simultaneously releases it with both hands. A–1 then picks up the ball and dribbles toward the side line. Official rules this an illegal dribble. Is the official correct?

75. After the ball becomes live to begin the first quarter the official notices that A–1 is wearing an illegal jersey. A–1 plays the whole first quarter and enters the court to start the second quarter. Official assesses A–1 with a technical foul. Is the official correct?

[Nevadaref]

Well, I don't know the official IAABO ruling for any of these questions, but here are my answers:
13. Yes
33. Yes
75. No

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Well, I don't know the official IAABO ruling for any of these questions, but here are my answers:
13. Yes
33. Yes
75. No

That's what IAABO has also. Fwiw, I agree with you and IAABO.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

33. A–1 after receiving the ball, places the ball on the floor and simultaneously releases it with both hands. A–1 then picks up the ball and dribbles toward the side line. Official rules this an illegal dribble. Is the official correct?

Interesting question....

We have a case play with a player who recovers the ball while laying on the floor that may be useful in this case.

(The case was quote here: http://forum.officiating.com/showpos...45&postcount=2)

If that player on the floor sits the ball down, stands, then picks up the ball, it is considered traveling. To me, that says that sitting the ball on the floor is not a dribble....otherwise it would have been a legal play.



Now to this case...

How is it different? The only differnce is the position of the player, not the action with the ball.


So, is sitting the ball on the floor a dribbler or not?? If not, then the official is wrong. If so, then teh case play I referenced is providing a contratdictory interpretation of stilling the ball on the floor.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

13. While the official passes team A’s bench, someone from the bench utters uncomplimentary language. The official is not able to designate which bench personnel uttered the words. Official charges a technical foul to the head coach. Is the official correct?We talked about this one, but the question does not state whether the T was direct or indirect to the coach. Because it was bench personnel it was indirect, but a T nonetheless.

33. A–1 after receiving the ball, places the ball on the floor and simultaneously releases it with both hands. A–1 then picks up the ball and dribbles toward the side line. Official rules this an illegal dribble. Is the official correct? When the player released the ball, it became the start of a dribble. When he picked it up, the dribble ended. The player then started another dribble. At least that is how this one was explained at our refresher.

75. After the ball becomes live to begin the first quarter the official notices that A–1 is wearing an illegal jersey. A–1 plays the whole first quarter and enters the court to start the second quarter. Official assesses A–1 with a technical foul. Is the official correct?

Once the player is playing, it is deemed legal. Reading into it you could argue an illegal number might have been the reason for its illegality, but the question does not say it was an illegal number.

[Camron Rust]

33. A–1 after receiving the ball, places the ball on the floor and simultaneously releases it with both hands. A–1 then picks up the ball and dribbles toward the side line. Official rules this an illegal dribble. Is the official correct?

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

When the player released the ball, it became the start of a dribble. When he picked it up, the dribble ended. The player then started another dribble.

How does that ruling fit with case 4.45.5.B? In it A1 gains control of the ball on the floor and it says...

"It is also traveling if A1 puts the ball on the floor, then rises and is the first to touch the ball."

Since it is not possible to travel during a dribble, the act of putting the ball on the floor must not be a dribble.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Once the player is playing, it is deemed legal. Reading into it you could argue an illegal number might have been the reason for its illegality, but the question does not say it was an illegal number.

Note that "illegal number" means "contains a 6 - 9". This makes the jersey illegal, so the penalty (one per person) and timeframe (discovered before the ball becomes live) the same.

If the number must be changed to match the scorebook (or vice versa), that's a different issue, penalty, timeframe, and doesn't make the jersey illegal. Thus, it doesn't apply to the question posed.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Once the player is playing, it is deemed legal. Reading into it you could argue an illegal number might have been the reason for its illegality, but the question does not say it was an illegal number.

If they testers want you to focus upon the number, they will explicitly state "illegal number", but if they mention an illegal jersey or shirt they are referring to some other aspect of the jersey being illegal.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Note that "illegal number" means "contains a 6 - 9". This makes the jersey illegal, so the penalty (one per person) and timeframe (discovered before the ball becomes live) the same.

Bob, My interpretation of that is different. It is my understanding that an illegal number does not make the shirt itself illegal.

For a shirt to be considered illegal something else besides the number must be wrong with it. (i.e. too many colors, illegal memorial patch, visible manufacturer's logo, etc.)

If a player were to have a number that contained a 6, 7, 8, or 9 the player would be penalized for wearing an illegal number, but not also for wearing an illegal shirt. Notice the "or" in the language of 10-3-2. To me that means that they are seperate infractions.
. . . Wear an illegal number or an illegal shirt or illegal pants/skirt.
PENALTY: (Art. 2) Each violation is penalized one time if discovered prior to ball becoming live for each designated starter and each substitute who enters.
I do not believe that it is the intent of the rule to penalize the kid twice for having one item wrong on his shirt. If that were the case, then no one could ever play with an illegal number because that team member would receive two player technical fouls and be disqualified!

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Personally, I don't like the answer to #13 or #33.

#13, I'm not calling a T on anybody when I don't know who the remark came from. And while I realize it's an exam environment, I don;t believe this is the correct approach for teaching either.

#33, sitting the ball on the floor is NOT a dribble.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

#33, sitting the ball on the floor is NOT a dribble.

But you believe that bouncing it off your foot without it touching the floor is?

Can I get a Lah me from JR?