Nfhs Q 75

[NIump50]

Originally Posted by NIump50
I don't have the test in front of me, but Q75 reads something like this:
A makes a basket, B takes ball behind end line and attempts throw in, on the throw in A intentionally kicks ball. The ensuing throw in will be a spot throw in. T F

In my foolishness to try and guess what NFHS wanted I answered True and of course was wrong according to the answer key.

Can someone explain how this can be an exclusively true or false answer.

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

It is false. Rule book 7-5 art.7.

If the defending team commits a violation or a common foul on the throw in after a made basket before the throwing team has ended the throw in or isn't in the bonus. This is only true on end line throw ins, obviously.

I'd accept that if I had not read the case book.

7-5.7 Situation B
scenario (b)

If the kick is at the division line B gets ball at the division line for a spot throw in.
Is the case book wrong?

[Gimlet25id]

Your correct if it is a sideline throw in the thrower could never run anyway. Thats why I said it would only pertain to endline throw ins after scores. This is the only time the thrower can run or pass to a teamate

[NIump50]

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

Your correct if it is a sideline throw in the thrower could never run anyway. Thats why I said it would only pertain to endline throw ins after scores. This is the only time the thrower can run or pass to a teamate

Q 75 specifically says the throw in is after a basket and B has end line privileges. On the throw in A intentionally kicks ball. When B throws in after this violation it will be a spot throw in. T or F

[Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by NIump50

Q 75 specifically says the throw in is after a basket and B has end line privileges. On the throw in A intentionally kicks ball. When B throws in after this violation it will be a spot throw in. T or F

False. A team violated by kicking the ball. Therefor the B team retains the right to run the END LINE or pass to a teammate behind the end line. These provisions would stay true as long as the throw in hasn't ended. In this case it didn't end because the first person to touch the ball was the A player who kicked it first.

The question would only be true if the end line throw in wasn't after a made basket which would mean it would be a spot throw in or a sideline throw in since all of these are spot throw ins. Then if the ball was kicked it would be a spot throw in nearest to where the violation occurred.

[NIump50]

I apologize for making this confusing.

I'd like to know if the NFHS answer key is wrong or if the case book is wrong.

Q 75 specifically says the throw in is after a basket and B has end line privileges. On the throw in A intentionally kicks ball. When B throws in after this violation it will be a spot throw in. T or F

The answer key says false. Therefore the throw in will be behind the end line and B will retain end line privileges.

Case book 7-5.7 Situation B gives this exact scenario.
In scenario (a) the kick is close to B on the end line and in (b) the kick is near the division line.
Ruling according to the case book:
(a) B gets throw in behind end line with privileges
(b) B gets throw in at division line Spot throw in

If the case book is correct then Q75 cannot be answered correctly. The Q does not indicate where the ball was kicked.

Bad question or incorrect ruling in case book?

[Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by NIump50

I apologize for making this confusing.

I'd like to know if the NFHS answer key is wrong or if the case book is wrong.

Q 75 specifically says the throw in is after a basket and B has end line privileges. On the throw in A intentionally kicks ball. When B throws in after this violation it will be a spot throw in. T or F

The answer key says false. Therefore the throw in will be behind the end line and B will retain end line privileges.

Case book 7-5.7 Situation B gives this exact scenario.
In scenario (a) the kick is close to B on the end line and in (b) the kick is near the division line.
Ruling according to the case book:
(a) B gets throw in behind end line with privileges
(b) B gets throw in at division line Spot throw in

If the case book is correct then Q75 cannot be answered correctly. The Q does not indicate where the ball was kicked.

Bad question or incorrect ruling in case book?

The question could be more clear. Effectively you put the ball back in play nearest to the spot the violation happen. Reading your question I would assume the kick happenned @ the end line. Therefor I would answer false to the question.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by NIump50

Bad question or incorrect ruling in case book?

Neither. Since the question says that it *will* be a spot throw-in, and there are times when it is not a spot throw in, the question is False -- which is what the answer key has

[BktBallRef]

You're way overanlyzing the question.

[Grail]

Rule Number 1 for taking a True/False test. If the answer is not 100% Always True, it is false.

In this question, it could be a spot throw-in, if it was kicked near the division line, but if it remains on the endline the thrower still has the right to "run the endline".

Since it is not 100% true, the answer must be false.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Neither. Since the question says that it *will* be a spot throw-in, and there are times when it is not a spot throw in, the question is False -- which is what the answer key has

That is the correct reasoning. Both the NFHS answer key and the case book are correct.

[Jimgolf]

Generalizations are standard testing devices to see if you are paying attention and how thoroughly you know the material. The most common issue I've seen on these tests is what the penalty is and how is it administered.

If the question says "will" or "always" or "never" or any other generalization, be careful. Part of the answer might be correct some of the time, but not always, so double check the penalty portion for exceptions.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by NIump50

I apologize for making this confusing.

I'd like to know if the NFHS answer key is wrong or if the case book is wrong.

Q 75 specifically says the throw in is after a basket and B has end line privileges. On the throw in A intentionally kicks ball. When B throws in after this violation it will be a spot throw in. T or F

The answer key says false. Therefore the throw in will be behind the end line and B will retain end line privileges.

Case book 7-5.7 Situation B gives this exact scenario.
In scenario (a) the kick is close to B on the end line and in (b) the kick is near the division line.
Ruling according to the case book:
(a) B gets throw in behind end line with privileges
(b) B gets throw in at division line Spot throw in

If the case book is correct then Q75 cannot be answered correctly. The Q does not indicate where the ball was kicked.

Bad question or incorrect ruling in case book?

Neither, like Tony said, you are thinking about it way too much. They are trying to get across that you don't lose the right to run the endline following a violation. That's all. You are right, in the question it doesn't exactly tell you where the violation occured. But that's obviously not the point they are trying to get across or they would of said the violation occurred at the top of the key or at the division line, etc. The point they are trying to make is that you don't lose the right to run the endline following a violation.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by NIump50

I apologize for making this confusing.

I'd like to know if the NFHS answer key is wrong or if the case book is wrong.

Q 75 specifically says the throw in is after a basket and B has end line privileges. On the throw in A intentionally kicks ball. When B throws in after this violation it will be a spot throw in. T or F

The answer key says false. Therefore the throw in will be behind the end line and B will retain end line privileges.

Case book 7-5.7 Situation B gives this exact scenario.
In scenario (a) the kick is close to B on the end line and in (b) the kick is near the division line.
Ruling according to the case book:
(a) B gets throw in behind end line with privileges
(b) B gets throw in at division line Spot throw in

If the case book is correct then Q75 cannot be answered correctly. The Q does not indicate where the ball was kicked.

Bad question or incorrect ruling in case book?

Are you concerned about knowing the rule or only with getting the question right on the test?

JMO, but you should quit worrying about the test question and instead study the case play so that you can apply the rule correctly should the scenario occur in one of your games.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by NIump50

Originally Posted by NIump50
I don't have the test in front of me, but Q75 reads something like this:
A makes a basket, B takes ball behind end line and attempts throw in, on the throw in A intentionally kicks ball. The ensuing throw in will be a spot throw in. T F

In my foolishness to try and guess what NFHS wanted I answered True and of course was wrong according to the answer key.

Can someone explain how this can be an exclusively true or false answer.




I'd accept that if I had not read the case book.

7-5.7 Situation B
scenario (b)

If the kick is at the division line B gets ball at the division line for a spot throw in.
Is the case book wrong?

No, because if the violation occurred near the division line, that's where the throw-in would be from. You may only run the endline(s), not the sideline(s). Re-read the ruling in 7.5.7.