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The player who is subbed out is simply not eligible to return until the next opportunity to substitute after the clock is properly started. I don't think that's even debatable. There's no ambiguity at all in the rule. So you make the team play with whatever eligible players they have. Then at the next whistle, he can come back in. |
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Wow that is a stretch - But the player is inelegible to return until time runs off the clock i think that is pretty much black and white I have seen it happen. |
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![]() 2005-06 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretations SITUATION 1: A1 is fouled by B1 late in the second quarter. It is a common foul and the seventh Team B foul. The bonus situation is not recognized by the scorer or the officiating crew, and the Team A coach substitutes A6 for A1. A6 is beckoned onto the floor and A1 goes to the team bench. The scorer recognizes the error and sounds the horn (a) just before or (b) just after the administering official hands the ball to A2 for a throw-in. RULING: This is a correctable-error situation and falls within the proper timeframe for a correction. In both (a) and (b), A6 leaves the game with A1 re-entering to shoot the bonus free throw. Play is resumed as after any free-throw attempt(s). If the second free throw is successful and the coach desires, A6 may re-enter the contest. (2-10-1a; 2-10-6) Of course, it wouldn't apply to our debate over the NFHS test question because this is a correctable error situation and it says on the top of the exam, "No errors or mistakes are involved unless noted." Quote:
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The sub-must-wait rule is not meant to require a team play with fewer than 5 players. It is meant to prevent teams from pulling players out-and-in on purpose for an advantage....particularly regarding free throws and rebounding near the end of the game. Example...team A down by 4 with 30 seconds to go with team B's worst FT shooter on the line. Both teams would really like to have their best rebounders in the game at that point....particularly team A. Now, if B should make the FT, A would like to put their best ball handlers and shooters in the game....not rebonders. Team B would like to ensure they get the rebound if their is a miss but if there is a make, they want their best defenders in. If it were allowed, you'd see a lot of end game subbing going on with players going out before the FT and coming right back in after the FT. The rules makers don't want such musical chairs games going on so they limit the reentry of removed playres.
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If Team A is down to 5 players due to injury or disqualification or whatever, and A1 twists an ankle that requires the trainer to come on the court, are you going to allow A1 to remain in the game if Team A doesn't have any TO's left? I don't think I am going to allow that. |
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Sure sounds to me also that the spirit and intent of the rule is exactly what Camron said. If there's a sub available, let' em in. |
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Nevada obviously is a literalist. Not a criticism, just an observation. If its not specifically spelled out in the rules, he's not going to act. Thats his philosophy, and its certainly acceptable. I'm sure he is an excellent referee. The mere fact he is on here shows that he takes this avocation seriously.
While I probably don't have the experience he has, as I am only a 4th year referee, I was taught and instructed that there are times too numerous to count where a strict application of the rules doesn't apply due to contradictions and/or vaguaries in the language of the rules. Thats the whole reason for Rule 2 section 3. I will ask our rules interpreter and my assignors at our next association meeting (if I remember). But I am pretty sure, based on past experience and exposure to their thinking, that they would allow the re-sub. |
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While my stance on this may seem harsh, please consider that I am striving to do what the NFHS has instructed.
2006-07 POINTS OF EMPHASIS ... 5. Rules Enforcement and Proper Use of Signals. The committee has seen a movement away from the consistent application of rule enforcement and use of approved mechanics/signals. A. Rules Enforcement. Officials need to be aware that personal interpretations of the rules have a negative impact on the game. The rules are written to provide a balance between offense and defense, minimize risks to participants, promote the sound tradition of the game and promote fair play. Individual philosophies and deviations from the rules as written negatively impact the basic fundamentals and tenants of the rules. ... |
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In this case there is a rule which says that player X cannot participate at this time. Even if they take a technical foul, he still can't come in. That is why it is pretty tough for me to set this aside. I certainly wouldn't want to be accused of using my own individual philosophy and not following the NFHS rules! BTW in the injured starter scenario, what you do if there were no other team members on the roster? Say the team only has five and one of them breaks his ankle during warmups. Do you forfeit the game because a team MUST start the game with five players or do you call it extenuating circumstances and allow the contest to proceed with this team only fielding four players? |
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2) Good question. Know what? I don't know what I'd do without knowing other circumstances. If the game meant something to the other team, or other teams, in the way of playoff aspirations, I doubt that I would go ahead and play the game. I'd follow the rules and if the league/state wants to then replay the game sometime, fine with me. If it was a meaningless game, I'd probably talk to the coaches and see what they wanted to do. |
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