Throw In after Made Basket

[actuary77]

I just started officiating a two year ago so I'm fairly new. I'm not sure if this applies to most officials when they start, but I got most of my basketball rules knowledge from watching the NBA and some from NCAA. Now that I'm a high school official, I'm trying not to confuse myself with NBA rules anymore.

Here's the question. Is there anywhere in the rulebook that addresses throw-in violations after a made basket? Like say the player throwing the ball in doesn't completely step out of bounds or has at least one foot on the endline when he throws. If it's a violation, I'm assuming the penalty is loss of possession.

Also, should a violation be called in situations like: (1) Team B just made a basket. A1 picks up the ball for the throw-in, has the ball ready to throw for about 1-2 seconds, then A2 grabs the ball from A1 OOB and decides to do the throw-in himself. (2) Same as #1 except A1 PASSES the ball to A2 OOB to do the switch. Does the length of time A1 has the ball ready for the throw-in have anything to do with it?

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by actuary77

Is there anywhere in the rulebook that addresses throw-in violations after a made basket? Like say the player throwing the ball in doesn't completely step out of bounds...

Yep. 4-42, 7-5, and 7-6.

Originally Posted by actuary77

..or has at least one foot on the endline when he throws.

This isn't a violation.

Originally Posted by actuary77

If it's a violation, I'm assuming the penalty is loss of possession.

Yup.

Originally Posted by actuary77

Also, should a violation be called in situations like:

(1) Team B just made a basket. A1 picks up the ball for the throw-in, has the ball ready to throw for about 1-2 seconds, then A2 grabs the ball from A1 OOB and decides to do the throw-in himself.

No violation.

Originally Posted by actuary77

(2) Same as #1 except A1 PASSES the ball to A2 OOB to do the switch.

No violation.

Originally Posted by actuary77

Does the length of time A1 has the ball ready for the throw-in have anything to do with it?

Yep, they have 5 seconds to complete the throw-in.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by actuary77
Is there anywhere in the rulebook that addresses throw-in violations after a made basket? Like say the player throwing the ball in doesn't completely step out of bounds...

Originally Posted by tjones1

Yep. 4-42, 7-5, and 7-6.

I'll add that most of 9-2 applies too, although some provisions are only for designated-spot throw-ins.

Originally Posted by actuary77
..or has at least one foot on the endline when he throws.

Originally Posted by tjones1

This isn't a violation.

That may not be true. It depends upon where the other foot is. If it is touching inbounds then this is a violation. If it is in the air and not touching the floor, then this is legal.


The rest of what tanner posted is good.

[tjones1]

True, thanks Nevada for clearing that up. I wasn't thinking about that, I was assuming one foot was behind the endline and the other was just touching the endline.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by actuary77

Here's the question. Is there anywhere in the rulebook that addresses throw-in violations after a made basket? Like say the player throwing the ball in doesn't completely step out of bounds or has at least one foot on the endline when he throws. If it's a violation, I'm assuming the penalty is loss of possession.

Also, should a violation be called in situations like: (1) Team B just made a basket. A1 picks up the ball for the throw-in, has the ball ready to throw for about 1-2 seconds, then A2 grabs the ball from A1 OOB and decides to do the throw-in himself. (2) Same as #1 except A1 PASSES the ball to A2 OOB to do the switch. Does the length of time A1 has the ball ready for the throw-in have anything to do with it?

Read all the cases book plays under THROW-IN VIOLATIONS on p67 of the case book. Then read the case plays in rule 7 - OUT OF BOUNDS AND THE THROW-IN- starting on p. 53 of the case book. That's an easier way to learn than asking individual questions.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by actuary77

Here's the question. Is there anywhere in the rulebook that addresses throw-in violations after a made basket? Like say the player throwing the ball in doesn't completely step out of bounds ...

JR gave you great advice in telling you to read the case book plays on throw-ins, but since you specifically asked about this play here is the proper case book ruling for it.


9.2.2 SITUATION C: A1 scores a basket. After the ball goes through the net, B1 grabs it and makes a move toward the end line as though preparing to make a throw-in. However, B1 never legally steps out of bounds, both feet remain inbounds. B1 immediately passes the ball up the court to a fast-breaking teammate, who scores a basket. RULING: Cancel Team B's goal, throw-in violation on B1. The ball was at B1's disposal after the made basket to make a throw-in. B1 must be out of bounds to make a legal throw-in. (7-4-3; 7-5-7)

[Adam]

Also, remember that only one foot has to be down. A player may step OOB with one foot, leave the other foot in the air hovering over the part of the court that is in bounds, and make his/her throw in. This legal, even if the foot on the floor is touching the OOB line itself. The line is OOB, so it's legal.
You'll see courts with really thick OOB lines (I've seen them as much as 3 feet wide), or with simply a change in paint color instead of a "line" per se.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Also, remember that only one foot has to be down. A player may step OOB with one foot, leave the other foot in the air hovering over the part of the court that is in bounds, and make his/her throw in.

Hey, didn't I write that the day before?

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

This legal, even if the foot on the floor is touching the OOB line itself. The line is OOB, so it's legal.
You'll see courts with really thick OOB lines (I've seen them as much as 3 feet wide), or with simply a change in paint color instead of a "line" per se.

This is a good point.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

JR gave you great advice in telling you to read the case book plays on throw-ins, but since you specifically asked about this play here is the proper case book ruling for it.


9.2.2 SITUATION C: A1 scores a basket. After the ball goes through the net, B1 grabs it and makes a move toward the end line as though preparing to make a throw-in. However, B1 never legally steps out of bounds, both feet remain inbounds. B1 immediately passes the ball up the court to a fast-breaking teammate, who scores a basket. RULING: Cancel Team B's goal, throw-in violation on B1. The ball was at B1's disposal after the made basket to make a throw-in. B1 must be out of bounds to make a legal throw-in. (7-4-3; 7-5-7)

Umm...let me get this straight - you can cancel a basket because you can go back in time and call a violation?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Umm...let me get this straight - you can cancel a basket because you can go back in time and call a violation?

Certainly seems that way. Of course, the official must actually CALL the violation!

[tlynch]

Hey Guys,

Related to this thread, I play in a league that uses modified NCAA rules.

Tonight a ref called a violation on me while I was inbounding after a made basket because I did not have BOTH feet ofer the endline, one of my feet was lifted and in the air, and over the endline.

I have read the rules, and nearly exploded, positive that I was right. I have read the rulebook cover to cover and pay attention to officiating in all games that I watch on TV. I actually reffed a bit in college for an intramural league.

The ref told me that I better just follow his rule the rest of the game because he was going to call it the same way from that point on. I told him ok.

After the game I went over and told him that I disagreed with his ruling and asked if he would double check his position in the rule book before the games next week - he responded by giving me advice on my game. That really made me mad. Shouldn't he say that he would at least look into it?

I know a players position on the court is determined by the last place where they touched, and this is what I am basing my ruling on. Could you please point out what sections of the rule book I can print out to make my case the strongest?

Thanks,
Todd Lynch

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by tlynch

I know a players position on the court is determined by the last place where they touched, and this is what I am basing my ruling on. Could you please point out what sections of the rule book I can print out to make my case the strongest?

Thanks,
Todd Lynch

Sometimes you get RecLeague Refs at Rec League Games. Still, you shouldnt' "nearly explode" at the call. Any correction will be best received if it comes from the supervisor / assignor, and not from a player.

Throw-ins are rule 7. Throw-in violations are rule 9-2.