Wrong player correctable error

[ChuckElias]

Ok, here's a sitch. Both teams are in the bonus. B1 fouls A1. The officials mistakenly allow A2 to shoot the one-and-one. During A2's first FT, A3 fouls B3. The FT is successful. The officials correctly rule a false double foul and clear the lane for A2's second FT. A2's second attempt is also successful.

Officials then have B3 shoot his one-and-one at the other basket. B3's FTs are both successful. A2 inbounds the ball to A1, but A1 fumbles it and the ball goes OOB.

At this point, (before the ball becomes live for Team B's throw-in) Coach B notifies the officials that A1 should've shot the original one-and-one. Officials correctly rule that the error can still be corrected.

Exactly what do you do to correct this error?

[SmokeEater]

Cancel A2 free throws and have A1 shoot a 1 and 1 withthe lane cleared. Then ball put back into play where B was to get it after the OOB. It won't make A coach or fans very happy but thats the correct way to administer the correction I believe.

Smoke

[Ignats75]

Correctable errors can only be corrected at the first deadball after a live ball. By definition, the ball became live when B shot and made their 1 and 1. When A inbounded the ball after those free throws, the chance to correct the error passed by.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

Correctable errors can only be corrected at the first deadball after a live ball. By definition, the ball became live when B shot and made their 1 and 1. When A inbounded the ball after those free throws, the chance to correct the error passed by.

By definition, you're wrong.

Correctable errors can be corrected until the first dead ball after the ball has become live and the clock has properly started. Rule 2-10-2. The first time that the clock started was on A2's throw-in after all of the FT's . The first dead ball after that was when A1 fumbled the throw-in OOB. That's when the error was caught. Legal play iow.

[David B]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

By definition, you're wrong.

Correctable errors can be corrected until the first dead ball after the ball has become live and the clock has properly started. Rule 2-10-2. The first time that the clock started was on A2's throw-in after all of the FT's . The first dead ball after that was when A1 fumbled the throw-in OOB. That's when the error was caught. Legal play iow.

Thanks for the clarification. That is helpful as the season starts this week. I know that I sometimes forget about the little phrase "and the clock has started"

Thanks
David

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

Correctable errors can only be corrected at the first deadball after a live ball. By definition, the ball became live when B shot and made their 1 and 1. When A inbounded the ball after those free throws, the chance to correct the error passed by.

This is the first deadball after a live ball, after the clock has properly started.

[BktBallRef]

If there's no foul, there can be no FTs.

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

If there's no foul, there can be no FTs.

There's that common sense thing, but it doesn't say that in 2-10. It doesn't say to cancel the related activity. But the common sense thing would also be to just wipe out everything after the erroneous FTs and start over. And that's not what we're told to do.

I know that's the right answer, Tony. I know that's what they want us to rule. I'm just curious if it shouldn't be part of the rule.

[BktBallRef]

Hey, you asked, Chuck. Why chastise me for agreeing with you?

All activity is cancelled except "unsporting, flagrant, intentional or technical fouls."

Is that better?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

If there's no foul, there can be no FTs.

That's the condensed version.

Do I get points for using more words?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

That's the condensed version.

Do I get points for using more words?

You'll have to ask Chuck. Evidently, he's grading papers today.

[Ignats75]

This is the first deadball after a live ball, after the clock has properly started.

You're right. I forgot that little fact. Good call.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

Ok, here's a sitch. Both teams are in the bonus. B1 fouls A1. The officials mistakenly allow A2 to shoot the one-and-one. During A2's first FT, A3 fouls B3. The FT is successful. The officials correctly rule a false double foul and clear the lane for A2's second FT. A2's second attempt is also successful.

Officials then have B3 shoot his one-and-one at the other basket. B3's FTs are both successful. A2 inbounds the ball to A1, but A1 fumbles it and the ball goes OOB.

At this point, (before the ball becomes live for Team B's throw-in) Coach B notifies the officials that A1 should've shot the original one-and-one. Officials correctly rule that the error can still be corrected.

Exactly what do you do to correct this error?

1) The error is correctable as per rule 2-10-2.
2) Cancel everything that happened during the wrongfully shot FT's--A2's 2 FT's, A3's foul, B'3 2 FT's -- as per rule 2-10-2
3) Go back and have A1 the shoot one-and-bonus with no one on the lanes.
4) Resume play at the POI, which is B's ball for a throw-in at the OOB spot closest to where the ball went OOB off of A1. Rule 2-10-6

[SmokeEater]

Why cancel B's Free throws they were not in error? I think they should stand. That is why I think the coach would not be happy about the correction.

NVM - I read a little further and found the answer. What about 2-10-3 a. These points by B all occurred before the error was recognized?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by SmokeEater

Why cancel B's Free throws they were not in error? I think they should stand.

Well, both the NFHS and NCAA rulesmakers think that B's free-throws shouldn't stand. I don't make the rules; they do.

Btw, the NCAA cite is rule 2-11-3.