intentional leaving the playing surface

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Rule 9-3 refers to a player going OOB for an "unauthorized reason". Saving a ball is never an unauthorized reason.

It was not a save but a pass in the original post.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by truerookie

It was not a save but a pass in the original post.

So?

There's no rule stating that you can't legally go OOB to make a pass.

The difference is being legally or illegally OOB. Being legally OOB is nuthin'. Being illegally OOB is a violation.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

So?

There's no rule stating that you can't legally go OOB to make a pass.

The difference is being legally or illegally OOB. Being legally OOB is nuthin'. Being illegally OOB is a violation.

Ok, Got it!!

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

So?

There's no rule stating that you can't legally go OOB to make a pass.

The difference is being legally or illegally OOB. Being legally OOB is nuthin'. Being illegally OOB is a violation.

Believe me, I understand truerookie's and Hardwood's confusion, because I had difficulty grasping the difference between authorized and unauthorized at first. But try not to overthink this - in the original play, the pass was made while the player still had inbounds status, so that part is legal. The momentum carried them OOB, and that's also considered an authorized reason, as long as they then come back inbounds. A good example of an unauthorized reason would be purposely going OOB (not from momentum, but under control and on purpose) to avoid a screen set inbounds.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

- in the original play, the pass was made while the player still had inbounds status, so that part is legal. The momentum carried them OOB, and that's also considered an authorized reason, as long as they then come back inbounds.

That's the key right there. The player committed a legal act(pass,save,shot,etc.) while still having in-bounds status. Therefore--->legal play. His momentum then took him OOB, but he immediately returned in-bounds. Again---->legal play.

If the player didn't immediately return in-bounds, when able to, after being legally OOB as above----->technical foul.

If a player simply goes OOB to gain some kind of advantage(set an illegal screen, to avoid a screen, to get away from a defender, etc.)---->violation.

[bigdogrunnin]

Jurrassic Ref,

Did the rule change about 2-3 years ago, where before if you ran OOB to avoid screens, etc. it was a "T," but now only a violation?

What is the rule reference for that situation? Thanks.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by bigdogrunnin

Jurrassic Ref,

Did the rule change about 2-3 years ago, where before if you ran OOB to avoid screens, etc. it was a "T," but now only a violation?

What is the rule reference for that situation? Thanks.

9-3-2 10-3-3 was also changed, I think

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by bigdogrunnin

Jurrassic Ref,

Did the rule change about 2-3 years ago, where before if you ran OOB to avoid screens, etc. it was a "T," but now only a violation?

What is the rule reference for that situation? Thanks.

Yes, it changed in 2005-06. Rule 10-3-3 used to say it was a "T" to both (1)leave the court for an unauthorized reason or (2)delay returning after being legally OOB. They took (1) out of 10-3-3 and made it a violation under R9-3-2. Case book play 9.3.2SitB is the exact situations with a screen that you described above.

(2) is still a "T" under the revised 10-3-3.

[deecee]

so who here would call that T?