throw-in fumble by A1

[oc]

A1 on a throw-in fumbles the ball, leaves the designated spot (several feet), recovers, returns and throws the ball in all with in 5 seconds.

NCAA rule book covers this in 7-6 and says the ref is supposed to blow the play dead and readminister the ball but I don't see any reference to the play in NFHS. Any help for where to look?

[BktBallRef]

Violation for leaving the designated spot. (7-6-2)

[JRutledge]

Please use common sense when possible. If the fumble is a result of the official giving the official the ball and a bad bounce occurs, no one is going to be upset if you stop play and give the ball back to the thrower.

Just my opinion.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If the fumble is a result of the official giving the official the ball...

That certainly would be something that should be fixed.

[oc]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

That certainly would be something that should be fixed.

That's not an approved correctable error. Still U1's ball.

[bicepsforyou]

It was very close to one thoe

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by oc

A1 on a throw-in fumbles the ball, leaves the designated spot (several feet), recovers, returns and throws the ball in all with in 5 seconds.

NCAA rule book covers this in 7-6 and says the ref is supposed to blow the play dead and readminister the ball but I don't see any reference to the play in NFHS. Any help for where to look?

Blow the damn whistle & start over.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Blow the damn whistle & start over.

With the balance of his 5-second count available.... or a new 5 second count?

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

With the balance of his 5-second count available.... or a new 5 second count?

You're kidding, right?

[Kevzebra]

Common sense says if the player fumbles it, violation. If it is a bad pass/bounce from the official, restart with a fresh 5. But one really should not have to restart a 5 second count anyway, due to the fact that if he/she fumbles the pass or handoff, one probably has not started that count. Unless one is the Flash that is!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

You're kidding, right?

Would I kid you?

If you've reached 4 1/2 on your count when the thrower fumbles the ball sideways, are you going to blow your whistle and re-set him with a full 5-second count?

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Would I kid you?

If you've reached 4 1/2 on your count when the thrower fumbles the ball sideways, are you going to blow your whistle and re-set him with a full 5-second count?

Couple of points, the first unnecessary & the others more serious...

I don't ever get to 4 1/2 on my count. I go from 4 to 5 skipping whatever is in the middle. Same with the other numbers.

I most likely would not kill the play in your sitch, I'm going to continue counting. (I actually can't see how someone "fumbles the ball sideways" accidentally btw...in the gyms I work gravity causes the ball to get accidentally fumbled mostly downwards.)

You're going to ask me when I would blow the whistle to kill the play. The answer is when it seems likely A1 fumbled as I handed/bounced the ball to him or if he dropped it and I judged it was purely accidental and something very unusual happened that causes it to make him have to leave the spot, like it bounced off my foot maybe...

If I did kill the play A1 gets a new and complete 5 seconds. Same as would happen any other time a throw-in is stopped by a whistle without a violation or foul.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Would I kid you?

If you've reached 4 1/2 on your count when the thrower fumbles the ball sideways, are you going to blow your whistle and re-set him with a full 5-second count?

If he fumbles at 4 1/2 seconds I would say chances are very, very high that he will commit a 5 second violation.

But here's a question on that. Say thrower does fumble at 3 or 4 seconds. If throw-in team request a T-O while ball is loose, do you grant it?

[Junker]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Please use common sense when possible. If the fumble is a result of the official giving the official the ball and a bad bounce occurs, no one is going to be upset if you stop play and give the ball back to the thrower.

Just my opinion.

Peace

Gotta agree. At least once a year I'll hand or bounce the ball to a player that is yelling instructions or not paying attention, and they do not get control of it. Pick up the ball and do it again. This is not a correctable error, but if you call that violation, you are going to be in for a long night from the coach. Obviously if they have the ball in their hands and are looking to pass it in, then fumble it, call the violation if they violate.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

I most likely would not kill the play in your sitch, I'm going to continue counting.


You're going to ask me when I would blow the whistle to kill the play. The answer is when it seems likely A1 fumbled as I handed/bounced the ball to him or if he dropped it and I judged it was purely accidental and something very unusual happened that causes it to make him have to leave the spot, like it bounced off my foot maybe...

If I did kill the play A1 gets a new and complete 5 seconds. Same as would happen any other time a throw-in is stopped by a whistle without a violation or foul.

We agree on both situations.