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Old Sun Sep 24, 2006, 06:46pm
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throw-in fumble by A1

A1 on a throw-in fumbles the ball, leaves the designated spot (several feet), recovers, returns and throws the ball in all with in 5 seconds.

NCAA rule book covers this in 7-6 and says the ref is supposed to blow the play dead and readminister the ball but I don't see any reference to the play in NFHS. Any help for where to look?
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Old Sun Sep 24, 2006, 06:54pm
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Violation for leaving the designated spot. (7-6-2)
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Old Sun Sep 24, 2006, 06:58pm
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Please use common sense when possible. If the fumble is a result of the official giving the official the ball and a bad bounce occurs, no one is going to be upset if you stop play and give the ball back to the thrower.

Just my opinion.

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Old Mon Sep 25, 2006, 02:46am
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If the fumble is a result of the official giving the official the ball...
That certainly would be something that should be fixed.
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Old Mon Sep 25, 2006, 07:31pm
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That certainly would be something that should be fixed.
That's not an approved correctable error. Still U1's ball.

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It was very close to one thoe
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A1 on a throw-in fumbles the ball, leaves the designated spot (several feet), recovers, returns and throws the ball in all with in 5 seconds.

NCAA rule book covers this in 7-6 and says the ref is supposed to blow the play dead and readminister the ball but I don't see any reference to the play in NFHS. Any help for where to look?
Blow the damn whistle & start over.
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Old Tue Sep 26, 2006, 12:36am
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Blow the damn whistle & start over.
With the balance of his 5-second count available.... or a new 5 second count?
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Old Tue Sep 26, 2006, 09:13am
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With the balance of his 5-second count available.... or a new 5 second count?
You're kidding, right?
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Old Tue Sep 26, 2006, 09:31am
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Common sense says if the player fumbles it, violation. If it is a bad pass/bounce from the official, restart with a fresh 5. But one really should not have to restart a 5 second count anyway, due to the fact that if he/she fumbles the pass or handoff, one probably has not started that count. Unless one is the Flash that is!
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Old Tue Sep 26, 2006, 10:11am
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You're kidding, right?
Would I kid you?

If you've reached 4 1/2 on your count when the thrower fumbles the ball sideways, are you going to blow your whistle and re-set him with a full 5-second count?
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Would I kid you?

If you've reached 4 1/2 on your count when the thrower fumbles the ball sideways, are you going to blow your whistle and re-set him with a full 5-second count?
Couple of points, the first unnecessary & the others more serious...

I don't ever get to 4 1/2 on my count. I go from 4 to 5 skipping whatever is in the middle. Same with the other numbers.

I most likely would not kill the play in your sitch, I'm going to continue counting. (I actually can't see how someone "fumbles the ball sideways" accidentally btw...in the gyms I work gravity causes the ball to get accidentally fumbled mostly downwards.)

You're going to ask me when I would blow the whistle to kill the play. The answer is when it seems likely A1 fumbled as I handed/bounced the ball to him or if he dropped it and I judged it was purely accidental and something very unusual happened that causes it to make him have to leave the spot, like it bounced off my foot maybe...

If I did kill the play A1 gets a new and complete 5 seconds. Same as would happen any other time a throw-in is stopped by a whistle without a violation or foul.
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Old Tue Sep 26, 2006, 12:04pm
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Would I kid you?

If you've reached 4 1/2 on your count when the thrower fumbles the ball sideways, are you going to blow your whistle and re-set him with a full 5-second count?
If he fumbles at 4 1/2 seconds I would say chances are very, very high that he will commit a 5 second violation.

But here's a question on that. Say thrower does fumble at 3 or 4 seconds. If throw-in team request a T-O while ball is loose, do you grant it?
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Old Tue Sep 26, 2006, 12:40pm
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Please use common sense when possible. If the fumble is a result of the official giving the official the ball and a bad bounce occurs, no one is going to be upset if you stop play and give the ball back to the thrower.

Just my opinion.

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Gotta agree. At least once a year I'll hand or bounce the ball to a player that is yelling instructions or not paying attention, and they do not get control of it. Pick up the ball and do it again. This is not a correctable error, but if you call that violation, you are going to be in for a long night from the coach. Obviously if they have the ball in their hands and are looking to pass it in, then fumble it, call the violation if they violate.
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Old Tue Sep 26, 2006, 01:12pm
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I most likely would not kill the play in your sitch, I'm going to continue counting.


You're going to ask me when I would blow the whistle to kill the play. The answer is when it seems likely A1 fumbled as I handed/bounced the ball to him or if he dropped it and I judged it was purely accidental and something very unusual happened that causes it to make him have to leave the spot, like it bounced off my foot maybe...

If I did kill the play A1 gets a new and complete 5 seconds. Same as would happen any other time a throw-in is stopped by a whistle without a violation or foul.
We agree on both situations.
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