Trouble recruiting refs for a men's league

[jdccpa]

There is a new men's league (over 30) being fomed in my home town and I have been asked to provide the referees. However, because of their past experiences with men's leagues I am finding that most referees are reluctant to referee these games.

This is a new league so we have a chance to outline rules of conduct, etc. .

Any one have any suggestions and comments.

Thanks

[WhistlesAndStripes]

The bottom line is, you get what you pay for. Usually, leagues like this play no more then 25-30 bucks a game, and there's a lot more crap to deal with and most of the seasoned guys just don't think it's worth it. Ultimately, new rules of conduct or not, you have to have officials with the balls to enforce whatever code you have in place. If you tell your players that first word outta their mouth they're gonna get whacked, and then you have officials that are willing to take a little more, or don't have the balls to whack em at all, then you'll never win this battle.

Bottom line, if you want the big dogs to ref your games, then you need to pay accordingly. Otherwise, take what you get, and best of luck with it.

[JRutledge]

Unless someone needs or wants the money, there is not much incentive to work those games. It is not like guys are going to get a shot at the next level because of working these games. For most officials that have worked those games, the money is usually not worth all the BS they have to put up with. I worked my last Men's league about 10 years ago. The experience sucked and I moved on.

Peace

[dave30]

Men's leagues are for a bunch of over the hill guys trying to relive their high school days who watch too much NBA and whine all the time. I want no part of it. That's what I tell people when they ask me if I would officiate their league.

[ranjo]

I agree with everything that is said about the adult leagues as far as how most of the players think and act. Early on I was really intimidated by some of the former big time players and tried to avoid those games as much as possible. However, because of the extra cash, excercise, or sheer boredom, I have continued doing them in the off-season.

Now,I have found they have helped to make me a better referee!!!

I have learned to become more assertive, I have developed a more patient whistle, I have learned how to explain calls with rule quotes to players when they deserved an explanation, and I have learned to give a T in a far calmer manner.

I have always been told the only difference between a good referee and a great referee were game management skills. Adult league games are a great place to learn and practice game management.

So back to the orginal post - Try to sell the league as a game management skills improvement opportunity.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ranjo

I have always been told the only difference between a good referee and a great referee were game management skills. Adult league games are a great place to learn and practice game management.

So back to the orginal post - Try to sell the league as a game management skills improvement opportunity.

I will tell you why I think that is not true. The consequences are not the same. Men's leagues will not suspend a player for similar actions at the NCAA or NF levels (even lower levels). It is not an equal comparison. When you deal with NCAA and NF games, you will be supported by those leagues when you do things professionally. You can talk to these players all day in a professional manner and they can threaten you personally after the game. I guess that could happen in a HS or college game, but that would go along with a report and the league taken harsh action. I have known guys working these leagues to threaten officials and pay a small fine and was later allowed to play without real consequence. What an official will do is have to avoid picking up bad habits. The problem with Men's leagues is the play, behavior, consequences do not translate.

Peace

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by dave30

Men's leagues are for a bunch of over the hill guys trying to relive their high school days who watch too much NBA and whine all the time. I want no part of it. That's what I tell people when they ask me if I would officiate their league.

AND, most of those guys think there will be an article in the paper the next day telling everybody how great they are at basketball.

[ChrisSportsFan]

Run everyone, RRUUUNNNN!!!!!

[AZ_REF]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Unless someone needs or wants the money, there is not much incentive to work those games. It is not like guys are going to get a shot at the next level because of working these games. For most officials that have worked those games, the money is usually not worth all the BS they have to put up with. I worked my last Men's league about 10 years ago. The experience sucked and I moved on.

Peace

JR I disagree. Granted working these leagues won't get you hired but you can become a better official. I began working men's leagues when I was about 16. While this wasn't the best decision I've ever made (I'll let you know as soon as I make a good one) it did have some positive aspects.

You can learn. A LOT. Last time I heard Ed Rush talk he advocated working Men's Leagues (he calls them postal leagues on account of the players attitudes) because of all the crap that goes on. He didn't say to work them a lot or for everyone to work them. Just that it can help some people develop as officials. You see stuff that you may never otherwise see and it forces you to think about the rules. And if your meek or mild mannered, it's sink or swim out there. Those leagues suck enough when you're swimming, I would hate to be sinking. It forces you to deal with irate players who have no control. It does get old after a while but under the right conditions a few games here and there can help.

That said I would only work a men's league that had the same rule we have here for high schools. You get thrown out once, you sit the next game. Twice, you sit three games and the third time your done. We recently instituted a rule in pop warner football where if a coach gets ejected here they have to sit a whole calander year. We went from having around 5 ejections a week to having virtually none.

[Texas Aggie]

I'll probably never work this sort of league again, but I helped run one several years ago. The only way we got guys to work was the rule I put in: first T, you are out the rest of the half and another full half; second T, rest of game and another full game; third T, later. Even then, some younger guys quit after a few weeks.

I also think fines are appropriate as well. They have to pay the fine to play, something like $25 for the first T, and $100 for the second.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

I'll probably never work this sort of league again, but I helped run one several years ago. The only way we got guys to work was the rule I put in: first T, you are out the rest of the half and another full half; second T, rest of game and another full game; third T, later. Even then, some younger guys quit after a few weeks.

I also think fines are appropriate as well. They have to pay the fine to play, something like $25 for the first T, and $100 for the second.

Or they have to take the class and pass the test before they can come back.

[REFVA]

There is a new men's league (over 30) being fomed in my home town and I have been asked to provide the referees. However, because of their past experiences with men's leagues I am finding that most referees are reluctant to referee these games.

This is a new league so we have a chance to outline rules of conduct, etc. .

Any one have any suggestions and comments.

Where are the games played? State, city/town?

[Mregor]

Originally Posted by jdccpa

.. and I have been asked to provide the referees.

Any one have any suggestions and comments.

Thanks

Don't do it! If you do, you will wish you hadn't.

[ChrisSportsFan]

Originally Posted by Mregor

Don't do it! If you do, you will wish you hadn't.

GREAT POINT!!! You'll have to listen to all the complaints from players, coaches and probably have to restock your officials half way thru the league. This task is bigger than it seems.