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					Originally Posted by ChuckElias
					
				 Therefore, a player control foul is a subset of team control fouls. | 
	
 Mathematically incorrect because there is at least one example for which this is not true.
 
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					Originally Posted by Dan_ref
					
				 Soooo....I see where it says a team ctl foul might be a PC foul. I don't see where it says a PC fouls is NOT a TC foul, which is what I questioned from Juulie's original post.
 By looking at the definition (NFHS & NCAA) I don't see how a PC foul is not a TC foul.
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 Chuck already posted the exception Dan.
 
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					Originally Posted by ChuckElias
					
				 Also, in HS (and NCAA-W, I think), a player control foul can be called if the player has released the ball on a shot, even though the player is no longer holding the ball. | 
	
 There is no team control in that case.  It has already ended.