player control/team control

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

Therefore, a player control foul is a subset of team control fouls.

Mathematically incorrect because there is at least one example for which this is not true.

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Soooo....I see where it says a team ctl foul might be a PC foul. I don't see where it says a PC fouls is NOT a TC foul, which is what I questioned from Juulie's original post.

By looking at the definition (NFHS & NCAA) I don't see how a PC foul is not a TC foul.

Chuck already posted the exception Dan.

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

Also, in HS (and NCAA-W, I think), a player control foul can be called if the player has released the ball on a shot, even though the player is no longer holding the ball.

There is no team control in that case. It has already ended.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Mathematically incorrect because there is at least one example for which this is not true.



Chuck already posted the exception Dan.



There is no team control in that case. It has already ended.

The exception doesn't make Juulie's original statment any more correct.

And in any event it only applies to 2 of the 3 codes.

So I'll stand behind my original comments, thanks.

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Mathematically incorrect because there is at least one example for which this is not true.

Oooo, ok. I guess "subset" is wrong. It's been a while since I did any mathematical theory. But I think everything else I said is right.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

Oooo, ok. I guess "subset" is wrong. It's been a while since I did any mathematical theory. But I think everything else I said is right.

Been a bad day all around, eh?

Got the sh!tty end of the Mr Annoying Guy stick...any other bad news come your way today...???

Hmmmm...? Bad news....? Nothing...? Anything come to mind...?

Nothing at all?