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Old Thu Aug 03, 2006, 04:05pm
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Seriously Folks,

The officiating where I live has gotten to the point where it's really, really bad. Is there anything a parent/coach can do about it or do we just have to learn to tolerate it?

I know officials are people too, and it's a tough job, but they ARE being paid. We coaches are working for nothing. This past AAU season, it just seemed like the officiating was worse than ever. So far, summer league has been no better.
During the summer and AAU seasons, most officials that normally would work those levels are not working. When you expect officials to work 4 games in a row and pay less than half of what officials would make in a regular season game, you get what you pay for often.

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I'll never forget the game where the one official showed up 30 minutes late. We had scored and the ball was rolling around on the court. So one of our guys picked it up and handed it to their in-bounder. The late official blew his whistle and called us for delay of game. We learned a lesson there, but, I mean, come on, the kid's heart was in the right place. He was just trying to help.
I cannot speak for why an official was late, other than to say that during the summer there are all kinds of scheduling mix ups and conflicts that happen. For all you know this official might not have been the scheduled official on the game. He might have been told to fill in the game at the last minute. As stated before, you get what you pay for.

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One of my main pet peeves is the refusal of officials to enforce the written rules of the game. I know there's this whole "No harm, no foul" movement, but is it too much too expect officials to enforce the rules as written?

I don't understand why there is any interpretation allowed. It seems like, in any area of life, if you allow individuals to make their own interpretations of rules, all control goes right out the window.

Why, then, do some officials, for example, allow reaches, hand-checks, push-offs, etc. and some not. Why do some call travel on the first step without dribble and others on the second?
The fact that you complained about officials not calling a "reach" tells me everything I need to know about you. One thing there is no such thing as a "reach" in the rulebook. There is no such rule or no rule is based on any kind of "reaching" as a foul. Now if you do not know that a "reach" is not an actual foul, then how are you going to be critical of officials not applying the rules properly or to the letter of the rules (your words not mine) and applying their own interpretations?

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Maybe it's not as wide spread everywhere as it is in District 11, but it sure is bad here. Is it because PIAA is not adequately policing and evaluating their officials?

What can coaches, parents, and fans do about it? What is the right approach?
What you could do is either join the officiating ranks or actually pick up a rulebook and casebook and figure out what the rules actually are. Also you need to understand that rules are almost never to be applied in a black and white way. If it were, you would probably be critical that the officials called way too much.

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Old Thu Aug 03, 2006, 05:34pm
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Rut mentioned the pay issue, and that clearly is a large part of it. Clearly the officiating in the summer and most AAU tournaments is worse than it is during the regular season, but that doesn't mean that officiating in general sucks and the first place to look is at those coaches and tournament directors who run the tournaments.

As Rut mentioned, many of the regular officials do not regularly work summer ball games, though some do. In AAU in particular the pay sucks, they play full length games with stop clock and some rule variations, yet they pay the officials no more than 1/2 of a normal game fee. Because the pay sucks, most officials would not be willing to work just 1 or 2 games because financially, it doesn't make sense. Most of the established guys do not want to work 4 or 5 (or in extreme cases 10-12) games in a row because there's no way anyone can maintain the focus and hustle needed to work the games well. So you end up getting guys who are willing to work that many games who are likely less experienced, and by the end of the day, tired. You get what you pay for.

Another aspect, which also goes directly to money, is that the atmosphere in a lot of these games is very unfriendly to officials. In a regular season game, there are rules of conduct that players and coaches must abide by and consequences if they don't (i.e. suspensions, possibility of getting fired). In summer league, there's no accountability because the coaches are paying the tournament director, who will often hang out the officials to dry because the coach is the one generating income, and they can always find another warm body. I've seen some AAU tournaments with "court monitors" (who incidentally have no officiating experience) who coaches can complain to during the game about the officials, and I've heard about officials getting removed during games over some calls and sent home. This sort of atmosphere encourages trouble-makers and discourages quality officials from working these games.

As a result, you get what you pay for, tired officials who are either in it for the money, trying to gain experience to move up and maybe the occasional solid ref. Officiating is a necessary evil of summer ball and viewed only as a fixed cost and not as a part of the game. Colleges in team camps use players to ref and tournament directors find the lowest common denominator, a warm body willing to work long hours for little pay. If you wonder why the officiating sucks and want to complain, tell your coach/tournament director to pony up for officials.
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Old Wed Aug 09, 2006, 03:23pm
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Another aspect, which also goes directly to money, is that the atmosphere in a lot of these games is very unfriendly to officials. In a regular season game, there are rules of conduct that players and coaches must abide by and consequences if they don't (i.e. suspensions, possibility of getting fired). In summer league, there's no accountability because the coaches are paying the tournament director, who will often hang out the officials to dry because the coach is the one generating income, and they can always find another warm body. I've seen some AAU tournaments with "court monitors" (who incidentally have no officiating experience) who coaches can complain to during the game about the officials, and I've heard about officials getting removed during games over some calls and sent home. This sort of atmosphere encourages trouble-makers and discourages quality officials from working these games.
Early this summer, I agreed to work an AAU tournament. With another experienced official, I was asked to work the final three games on the "main court," including the tournament championship. During our first game, I gave a coach a technical foul and he sat and stewed for the rest of the game. After the game, the coach went over to the tournament director and, shortly after that, the tournament director came over to my partner and me and said that we were being reassigned to a different court. Apparently, the recently-T'd coach (who's team was going to play in the championship in the final game of the day) had requested our reassignment because of his perception that I "had it in for him." My partner and I said that we'd work wherever the director assigned us that day, but explained to the director that it may not be wise to let coaches pick their officials. When the most senior official who was at the site got wind of what was happening, he went to the tournament director and told him that if we were taken off the main court because of a coach's request, not only would he never work for the tournament director again, but he would encourage all the officials in the association to do the same. The tournament director -- apparently susceptible to threats whether from coaches or officials -- relented and kept us on the same court. The coach stewed quietly all game as his favored-but-underperforming team lost the championship. I'm confident that he, the team and their entourage all had a good *****ing session after the game to blame the officials for their loss rather than the team's poor play.

Anyway, the point of this is to agree with what SMEngmann said -- the atmosphere was unfriendly to officials. I'm not planning to work the AAU tournament anymore and -- although I don't think I'm God's gift to officiating -- I was one of the more experienced and better officials at the tournament. So, I guess one thing that could be done to improve officiating is to do your part at creating an environment in which quality officials will want to work. Best wishes.
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Old Wed Aug 09, 2006, 03:31pm
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Early this summer, I agreed to work an AAU tournament. With another experienced official, I was asked to work the final three games on the "main court," including the tournament championship. During our first game, I gave a coach a technical foul and he sat and stewed for the rest of the game. After the game, the coach went over to the tournament director and, shortly after that, the tournament director came over to my partner and me and said that we were being reassigned to a different court. Apparently, the recently-T'd coach (who's team was going to play in the championship in the final game of the day) had requested our reassignment because of his perception that I "had it in for him." My partner and I said that we'd work wherever the director assigned us that day, but explained to the director that it may not be wise to let coaches pick their officials. When the most senior official who was at the site got wind of what was happening, he went to the tournament director and told him that if we were taken off the main court because of a coach's request, not only would he never work for the tournament director again, but he would encourage all the officials in the association to do the same. The tournament director -- apparently susceptible to threats whether from coaches or officials -- relented and kept us on the same court. The coach stewed quietly all game as his favored-but-underperforming team lost the championship. I'm confident that he, the team and their entourage all had a good *****ing session after the game to blame the officials for their loss rather than the team's poor play.

Anyway, the point of this is to agree with what SMEngmann said -- the atmosphere was unfriendly to officials. I'm not planning to work the AAU tournament anymore and -- although I don't think I'm God's gift to officiating -- I was one of the more experienced and better officials at the tournament. So, I guess one thing that could be done to improve officiating is to do your part at creating an environment in which quality officials will want to work. Best wishes.
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Coaches dictating who gets to ref. That should be an SI Sign that The Apocolypse Is Upon Us.

I don't think I'd go back there again. And I'm tell them why too. After all, they deserve feedback as well.
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Old Wed Aug 09, 2006, 07:29pm
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Same Coach: Man. Where did you get these officials? Couldn't you find any good ones?

Tournament Director: No. We had some a-hole of a coach trying to dictate who would and would not officiate his games and the good officials decided they would not come to this tournament anymore because of it. Hey! Wait a minute! I know you! YOU'RE THE A-HOLE!
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Old Wed Aug 09, 2006, 11:19pm
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Same Coach: Man. Where did you get these officials? Couldn't you find any good ones?

Tournament Director: No. We had some a-hole of a coach trying to dictate who would and would not officiate his games and the good officials decided they would not come to this tournament anymore because of it. Hey! Wait a minute! I know you! YOU'RE THE A-HOLE!
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