couple questions

[deecee]

1st i know the rule for the backcourt 10sec. violation -- where the ball must be touched in the front court before the 10 count or its a violation but i would like to know how many call a 10sec violation if ball is in the air on 10 and if you give half a second or second leeway in such a situation or do you go by the rule and call the 10sec. violation.

Second on an inbounds player has 5 seconds to release the ball or have it touched inbounds -- a partner yesterday was adamant that the ball had to be touched inbounds before the 5 count

he had a similar notion on closely guarded that just because the player passed it had to be to his teammate before 5. I disagreed on both these -- and even the 10 second call and said i would give the players an opportunity and an extra second if the ball was in the air towards the front court before i would call a 10sec. violation.

I looked up the rule for the 5 count and i was right -- and forgot to do the same for the closely guarded one. any help on these?

[Jay R]

deecee,

I don't call a 10 second violation if the ball has been released and it does get to the frontcourt. This is one of those rules you can bend a bit.
You avoid blowing the whistle and no one (except you) knows you were at 10 seconds anyway.

[Raymond]

• 1st i know the rule for the backcourt 10sec. violation -- where the ball must be touched in the front court before the 10 count or its a violation but i would like to know how many call a 10sec violation if ball is in the air on 10 and if you give half a second or second leeway in such a situation or do you go by the rule and call the 10sec. violation.

I have never blown the whistle while the ball was in mid-flight going into the front court. However, if the pass were coming from deep in the backcourt and I was already at 9 when he released it I could see myself whistling for 10 second violation while the ball was in flight. But the situation has never come up for me.

• he had a similar notion on closely guarded that just because the player passed it had to be to his teammate before 5. I disagreed

Next time you work with this partner please show him a rulebook.

[deecee]

thanks for the replies -- i am going to have to do that as he was arguing that a rule is a rule is a rule and thats it...

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by deecee

1st i know the rule for the backcourt 10sec. violation -- where the ball must be touched in the front court before the 10 count or its a violation but i would like to know how many call a 10sec violation if ball is in the air on 10 and if you give half a second or second leeway in such a situation or do you go by the rule and call the 10sec. violation.

1. The ball doesn't have to be touched by a player in the front court for the count to cease. It merely has to gain fc status. Bouncing on the floor in the frontcourt fulfills that requirement.

2. I do whistle the violation if the pass is in the air and my count reaches 10. I feel that to do otherwise is unfair to the defense. They worked hard, did their job, and deserve that call.

Of course, I am aware that others do not enforce the rule so precisely, but that is their choice and they have to explain themselves to their assignors.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

2. I do whistle the violation if the pass is in the air and my count reaches 10. I feel that to do otherwise is unfair to the defense. The worked hard, did their job, and deserve that call.

Of course, I am aware that others do not enforce the rule so precisely, but that is their choice and they have to explain themselves to their assignors.

Well, I know one assignor that might pat 'em on the head, say attaboy and maybe buy 'em a brownpop.

Do you really call it that way every time? No exceptions?

[Nevadaref]

I do my best to make the same calls for both teams.

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I do my best to make the same calls for both teams.

I do, too. But once a team gets down by 30, I seem to enter a time warp where my count slows waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down for some reason. . .

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

I do, too. But once a team gets down by 30, I seem to enter a time warp where my count slows waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down for some reason. . .

Attaboy!

Want a brownpop?

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Attaboy!

Want a brownpop?

Not even remotely. Blech.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

Not even remotely. Blech.

Don't give me that. We know better..........

[ChuckElias]

The picture is a forgery. Somebody put my head on the body of a different official. That's obviously not my body in the shot.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

The picture is a forgery. Somebody put my head on the body of a different official. That's obviously not my body in the shot.

How can you tell? That's a strategically-placed Old Style can.

Come to think of it, I believe that's the first time I've ever used "strategically-placed" and "Old Style" in the same sentance.

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

I believe that's the first time I've ever used "strategically-placed" and "Old Style" in the same sentance.

LOL, literally

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

How can you tell? That's a strategically-placed Old Style can.

Ron Jeremy don't use no beer cans.

He uses beer kegs.