Fight during game

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

That's just great. Any kid, with your philosophy, is going to feel retaliating in this fashion is justified...........if he feels he took a "cheap shot", that is.

I don't think anybody has said that the retaliation was justified. I don't think Dan implied that when he said that the Lawrence hopefully learned a lesson. I hope the kid learned a lesson, too. The Wichita kid will hopefully learn a different lesson. That doesn't "justify" either kid's actions.

What the Lawrence kid was wrong, what the Wichita kid did was worse.

I'm not sure anybody would disagree with you, or has disagreed with you on that point.

If the Wichita kid was getting elbowed through the coarse of the game,

If the game was coarse, the officials probably should've given T's for profanity. If the court was coarse, maybe it needs to be sanded. If he was getting elbowed through the course of the game, however, I agree that he should've let the refs handle it. Just a thought from your annoying Mr. Spelling Guy.

[TravelinMan]

If you look closely at the last video replay, it looks like both players are coming up court leaning on each other. The Lawrence player then pushes the other player off of him. It doesn't look like he shoved him without provocation.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by TravelinMan

It doesn't look like he shoved him without provocation.

Agree. Imo the Lawrence player instigated the incident with the shove. Another angle might be helpful, but we ain't gonna get that.

[tomegun]

OK, the kit took a major beat down and that shouldn't have happened. There is no way I would jump to a conclusion that this other player just did this out of the blue. Even the kid gave himself away when he talked to the reporter: "I think I elbowed him in the chest after a rebound", or something like that. Yeah, right! If I wanted to jump to a conclusion I would say that the lawyer could take the film sent by the dad, the interview and a tape of the whole game (if one exists) and ask the father, "Are you sure you want us to proceed?" Something could be fishy about this "unprovoked attack."

[TravelinMan]

Originally Posted by tomegun

OK, the kit took a major beat down and that shouldn't have happened. There is no way I would jump to a conclusion that this other player just did this out of the blue. Even the kid gave himself away when he talked to the reporter: "I think I elbowed him in the chest after a rebound", or something like that. Yeah, right! If I wanted to jump to a conclusion I would say that the lawyer could take the film sent by the dad, the interview and a tape of the whole game (if one exists) and ask the father, "Are you sure you want us to proceed?" Something could be fishy about this "unprovoked attack."

Tom, I know the Lawrence player was wrong but these things do happen "in the heat of battle" as you know. But, due to the grossly excessive force used by the Wichita player, I think something should be done for him before this really becomes a problem. Maybe a good anger management class and some community service would save this kid from becoming another Marvin Barnes when he grows up. For those of you not familiar with that incident, (I'm a PC grad so I know), after a few elbows and shoving occurred during a scrimmage, Barnes went back to his room after the scrimmage and got a tire iron and attacked his fellow teammate in the cafeteria. Different situation I know , but if this kid's behavior goes unchecked it might very well lead to the same thing.