Violation?

[pauli]

Can't seem to remember this one: A1 in the backcourt with ball in hand and has not dribbled yet. Is he/she allowed to throw the ball against the opponents backboard and be the first to touch it? Rule book indicates that it would constitute a dribble. I was thinking it was a violation.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by pauli

Can't seem to remember this one: A1 in the backcourt with ball in hand and has not dribbled yet. Is he/she allowed to throw the ball against the opponents backboard and be the first to touch it? Rule book indicates that it would constitute a dribble. I was thinking it was a violation.

It's only a violation if A1 had dribbled before.

[budjones05]

Not to contradict your answer, but what if he throws the ball and his own teammate get the "rebound"?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by budjones05

Not to contradict your answer, but what if he throws the ball and his own teammate get the "rebound"?

Nothing the matter with that, it's legal- but it's also "apples and oranges" to what we've been discussing.

The original post said that A1 was the first to touch it. The question was answered on that premise, naturally.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by budjones05

Not to contradict your answer, but what if he throws the ball and his own teammate get the "rebound"?

Bud,

What violation are you looking for in this situation? Basically what you are asking is "Is it legal to throw the ball against the opponent's backboard?" The answer to that is "yes". Violation comes into play if the player has already used his dribble and he retrieves the thrown ball. Or if he hasn't used his dribble, throws against the opponent's backboard, retrieves his own thrown ball then starts a dribble.

Ask yourself this: Would it be a violation if A1 was is getting pressed, throws the ball across court and it skims the opponents backboard or rim and then is caught by A2?

[SamIAm]

Not to contradict your answer, but what if he throws the ball and his own teammate get the "rebound"?

Still no violation, regardless of which of the two backboards/goals is used, nor does the day of week, nor time of year, nor player number make a difference, no violation, yet.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by SamIAm

Not to contradict your answer, but what if he throws the ball and his own teammate get the "rebound"?

Still no violation, regardless of which of the two backboards/goals is used, nor does the day of week, nor time of year, nor player number make a difference, no violation, yet.

Ah, but if they're playing on natural grass, it's a violation.

[Nu1]

Pauli...I know this adds a little to your question, but if A1 has not used their dribble they can throw the ball off of the opponents backboard and be the first to touch it. Depending on what they do after they touch it...a violation may follow.

For example; A1 has not used their dribble and throws the ball of the opponents backboard and then (a) catches the ball in both hands, (b) catches the ball in both hands and dribbles, or (c) does not catch the ball, but continues a dribble when the ball hits the floor.

I don't know if I've given a clear scenario, but (a) and (c) would not be violations. In (a) a dribble started and ended. In (c) a dribble started and continued. In (b) a violation has occured as a dribble started...ended...and a second dribble started.

[budjones05]

Thanks guys