Rule Changes for Next Season

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by tjones1

Because the article stated the following: "The mechanics for this signal will be extension of the arm with the fist punched."

Didn't say anything about killing the clock... just wondering.

I may be mistaken, but the Fed Mechanics chart shows that ALL fouls are initially signalled by the fist in the air, followed by the appropriate signal for the foul committed...much like the PC foul call, it's whistle/fist first, and then the PC signal.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by tjones1

Because the article stated the following: "The mechanics for this signal will be extension of the arm with the fist punched."

The mechanic for ALL personal fouls is an extended fist followed by a bird dog and/or preliminary signal.

No reason to think this one should be any different.

Originally Posted by rockyroad

I may be mistaken, but the Fed Mechanics chart shows that ALL fouls are initially signalled by the fist in the air, followed by the appropriate signal for the foul committed...much like the PC foul call, it's whistle/fist first, and then the PC signal.

No, you aren't mistaken.

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

What constitutes an obvious mistake?

The official sees that the clock didn't stop immediately on his whistle. If the clock shows tenths, and I see that the clock clicked an extra tenth, then yeah, I'm putting it back up.

The fact is that I think this rule should only be used when tenths are showing. If the clock doesn't show tenths, then you don't really know where it was when the whistle blew. Was it at 3.7 or 3.1? You don't know unless you can see the tenths. If there are no tenths showing, you're adding a full second, when it's possible that only 2 tenths ran off.

I hope the full rule mentions tenths, like the college rule does.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

The official sees that the clock didn't stop immediately on his whistle. If the clock shows tenths, and I see that the clock clicked an extra tenth, then yeah, I'm putting it back up.

And that's going to turn the game into a circus. How often is the timer going to be able to stop the clock at the very tenth you whistle? Never. Coaches are going to want time put back up on virtually every stoppage. Further, how often are you actually looking at the clock when you blow the whistle? Not never, but very rarely.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

And no, Tony, a "timer's mistake" isn't defined. But you are certainly astute to ask for a definition of this term as well as "obvious timing mistake."

Exactly.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by bbref3103

Rocky -- it only took me 2 posts to figure out what level people in this forum work. But thanks for the props on my detective work. You are right, you will never see the "clock" committ a foul or violation, but why wouldn't you want to get a clock reference EVERY time a whistle is sounded? It is for the good of the crew and the game. It will also help you remember plays, that as a crew, you can talk about in your post game. If you take a mental note of a play that happened at the 5:03 mark left in the first half (Hey Jurassic -- what level do I work) it will help you as an official discuss and recognize plays and become a better referee.

Hey dumbass, just an FYI for you. Rockyroad worked the D2 Women's Final Four in Springfield, Massachusetts this year. Which Final Four did you work?

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Hey dumbass, just an FYI for you. Rockyroad worked the D2 Women's Final Four in Springfield, Massachusetts this year. Which Final Four did you work?

Before or after he woke up?

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

And that's going to turn the game into a circus.

I disagree.

How often is the timer going to be able to stop the clock at the very tenth you whistle?

Irrelevant. It doesn't have to stop on the tenth that I whistle. It only has to be stopped by the time I see it.

Coaches are going to want time put back up on virtually every stoppage.

Irrelevant. Who the dexter cares what the coach wants?

Further, how often are you actually looking at the clock when you blow the whistle?

Irrelevant. Again, it doesn't matter whether I'm looking at the clock or not. It only matters that it is stopped when I see it.

That's what makes the rule change a good one. We don't have to worry about when we looked at the clock to determine if lag time was exceeded. If the clock is moving when I see it, then the lag time was exceeded. Period.

JMO, obviously. But I like the change.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

I disagree.
JMO, obviously. But I like the change.

I do too.

Z

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

Irrelevant. Who the dexter cares what the coach wants?

Who said anyone cared? I simply stated "Coaches are going to want time put back up on virtually every stoppage." Once that clock goes under 1 minute in a tight game, there will be more coaches complaining about the clock, and we will have to deal with those coaches.

You're pretty naive if you think this thing is going to be smooth sailing.