Rule Changes for Next Season

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bbref3103

Maybe that is why you are a high school referee and haven't moved up in the ranks. Anyone who is worth there weight knows and has been taught that you refereee the clock as well as the game. Blow whistle -- look at the clock. Do you think that coaches monitor the clock when a whistle is blown? Nope. Especially not in high school. Here is a tip -- get a clock reference when any whistle is blown.

Some of us have no desire to drive 3 hours and arrive 90 minutes before game time to sit in a gym with 50 fans and make $125.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by bbref3103

Maybe that is why you are a high school referee and haven't moved up in the ranks. Anyone who is worth there weight knows and has been taught that you refereee the clock as well as the game. Blow whistle -- look at the clock. Do you think that coaches monitor the clock when a whistle is blown? Nope. Especially not in high school. Here is a tip -- get a clock reference when any whistle is blown.

Managing the clock is not a "higher level" philosophy. An excellent official should be clock aware, regardless of whether they work HS or college. Clock management should be a part of a good pregame conference. ("Non-calling official(s) check the clock on every whistle.") Officials should be checking for proper clock start after clock stoppages as well. It's doable with two officials, even easier with a crew of three. A good crew can manage the clock and still monitor the players during dead ball situations.

Z

[bbref3103]

Rocky -- it only took me 2 posts to figure out what level people in this forum work. But thanks for the props on my detective work. You are right, you will never see the "clock" committ a foul or violation, but why wouldn't you want to get a clock reference EVERY time a whistle is sounded? It is for the good of the crew and the game. It will also help you remember plays, that as a crew, you can talk about in your post game. If you take a mental note of a play that happened at the 5:03 mark left in the first half (Hey Jurassic -- what level do I work) it will help you as an official discuss and recognize plays and become a better referee.

[bbref3103]

Hey Rich -- It sure is nice to hop on a plane for a couple hours and get a check at the game site for $500 to $2000. And in the same breath I still enjoy driving a couple hours to make $100 to referee good basketball. I don't do it for the money -- I do it because I truly have a "love of the game" and want to get better every game I referee.

[Snake~eyes]

Okay.. who the hell gave JMO the link to these boards?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Do you mind spelling out what your own personal qualifications are that allows you to look down on the lowly, average high school official?

NCAA D1 official?

NBA official?

Just wondering......

Bump....

Still waiting.......

[Raymond]

deleted as not to acknowledge trolls

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by bbref3103

Rocky -- it only took me 2 posts to figure out what level people in this forum work. But thanks for the props on my detective work. You are right, you will never see the "clock" committ a foul or violation, but why wouldn't you want to get a clock reference EVERY time a whistle is sounded? It is for the good of the crew and the game. It will also help you remember plays, that as a crew, you can talk about in your post game. If you take a mental note of a play that happened at the 5:03 mark left in the first half (Hey Jurassic -- what level do I work) it will help you as an official discuss and recognize plays and become a better referee.

Wow...only two posts. You're smarter than I thought...and of course you want a clock reference, and not just every time a whistle is blown, but also when a basket is scored, when a turnover occurs, etc., etc...but you certainly don't "referee the clock". That's a ridiculous statement...it's called clock management, game mangement, whatever, but you're not "refereeing the clock".

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Good.

Now why don't you disappear and find a site that's appropriate for your advanced skill and ability? You're much too advanced for the lowly high school officials that post here....even the lowly high school officials that also might do some college ball also.

I think I met this guy at the 12U AAU tourney I worked a few weeks ago. He was the guy who stopped he game to scream 'DO YOU PEOPLE KNOW WHO I AM!!???" at the parents booing him after a 3 second call.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

I think I met this guy at the 12U AAU tourney I worked a few weeks ago. He was the guy who stopped he game to scream 'DO YOU PEOPLE KNOW WHO I AM!!???" at the parents booing him after a 3 second call.

Actually, if you read bbref3103's first post from a year ago, you'll find out exactly what he's like.

http://www.officialforum.com/showthread.php?t=19957

"Nuff said......

Btw, from another old thread, he gave out the information that, as of a year ago, he was just finishing his fourth year of officiating. That means that he currently has got about 5 years in. Kinda amazing how he's just zoomed by all the lowly high school officials and is now flying out and collecting all those $2000 NCAA checks in such a short time.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Actually, if you read bbref3103's first post from a year ago, you'll find out exactly what he's like.

http://www.officialforum.com/showthread.php?t=19957

"Nuff said......

Btw, from another old thread, he gave out the information that, as of a year ago, he was just finishing his fourth year of officiating. That means that he currently has got about 5 years in. Kinda amazing how he's just zoomed by all the lowly high school officials and is now flying out and collecting all those $2000 NCAA checks in such a short time.

Ah yes, the old coach baiter. I'm sure he is flying up the officiating ladder and leaving us in the dust. I wish I had his communication skills.

Z

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by bbref3103

Maybe that is why you are a high school referee and haven't moved up in the ranks. Anyone who is worth there weight knows and has been taught that you refereee the clock as well as the game. Blow whistle -- look at the clock. Do you think that coaches monitor the clock when a whistle is blown? Nope. Especially not in high school. Here is a tip -- get a clock reference when any whistle is blown.

That comment was out of bounds. Some people, myself included, have no interest in doing any more than HS ball. I know lots of HS refs who are very good at what they do and they do no college by choice. The rest of your post was helpful, but it may have been lost in your hastiness to put down the guy.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Snake~eyes

Okay.. who the hell gave JMO the link to these boards?

Thre would've been a lot of typos.....

[tomegun]

Reading about this guy/girl from the other post I would come up with one of two options:

1. He/she had a powerful person speaking on their behalf to make it to the D1 level. If this is the case I would say they neither deserver to be there or work on crews where they get protected. Someone has to be an idiot to give the ball to the wrong team to make a coach mad and a super moron to come on a forum and brag about it.
2. He/she isn't telling the truth and they aren't in D1.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with only wanted to do HS ball. The only problem I've witnessed is HS officials who don't aspire to get better. A lot of times that might involve a college camp.
There is a lot of BS in HS ball. Well, multiply that by 1,000,000 and that is what college ball is like. The easiest part of college ball is the 40 minutes between the lines. I could leave the rest of it alone in a heart beat. More and more it isn't about what you do on the floor, it is about who you know and other BS.
Another interesting thing I've noticed in the last couple of weeks is this seems to be more on the men's side than the women's side. I know a girl who went to a camp way out of her area and did very well. If she lived on the east coast she would be on the radar of every major conference; for her it was as simple as that. Don't get me wrong, she is very good, but I know she is not into politics and what she did would not happen - at least I don't think so - on the men's side. It hasn't just impacted me, I know many other refs who are deserving of at least a legitimate opportunity and they don't get it. I've heard guys told things like, "you should take up golf" and other things. End of rant - I have many stories I could tell.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

The official sees that the clock didn't stop immediately on his whistle. If the clock shows tenths, and I see that the clock clicked an extra tenth, then yeah, I'm putting it back up.

And that's going to turn the game into a circus. How often is the timer going to be able to stop the clock at the very tenth you whistle? Never. Coaches are going to want time put back up on virtually every stoppage. Further, how often are you actually looking at the clock when you blow the whistle? Not never, but very rarely.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

And no, Tony, a "timer's mistake" isn't defined. But you are certainly astute to ask for a definition of this term as well as "obvious timing mistake."

Exactly.