10 second rule- girls ???

[Nate1224hoops]

Originally Posted by bbcoach7

I realize my teams can still "force" a 5 second call in the back court,

Coach, maybe you need a rule book. Are you sure about the 5 second closely guarded in the BACK COURT????

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Nate1224hoops

Coach, maybe you need a rule book. Are you sure about the 5 second closely guarded in the BACK COURT????

NCAA women's rule has a 5 second count in the front or back court. Holding the ball, not dribbling.

[bbcoach7]

M&M Guy- NF w/ 35 second clock.

Nate- oops, my bad.

Guys- my question is rather simple and straight forward. Now that I've indicated which rule set, maybe someone can offer some insightful comments/facts.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bbcoach7

M&M Guy- NF w/ 35 second clock.

Nate- oops, my bad.

Guys- my question is rather simple and straight forward. Now that I've indicated which rule set, maybe someone can offer some insightful comments/facts.

No one can answer your question except for those that live where you are located or those that might know the people that make those kinds of rules changes in your state. In my state the NF has not dropped the 10 second violation and likely will not drop the rule just for Girl's basketball. That is why people asked you what rules set you were working under. NCAA Women's basketball does not have a 10 second rule, but NCAA Men's still does. The only explanation I can come up with (and I have no idea other than assuming) is your state wanted to be more like college basketball.

Peace

[socalreff]

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Guys- my question is rather simple and straight forward. Now that I've indicated which rule set, maybe someone can offer some insightful comments/facts.[/QUOTE]

This rule was not changed 2 years ago. CA has had the 30 sec. shot clock for girls to match the college game for at least 12 years and the boys have had the 35 sec. shot clock about 8 or 9 years. The thought in our state amongst CBOA and instructors, as well as coaches, is to prepare the high school players for the college game. Also, it would be a major struggle for lower level (f/jv) girls teams to advance the ball against pressure consistently. Just my 2 cents as a contributor to the process.

[Nate1224hoops]

Originally Posted by socalreff

This rule was not changed 2 years ago. CA has had the 30 sec. shot clock for girls to match the college game for at least 12 years and the boys have had the 35 sec. shot clock about 8 or 9 years. The thought in our state amongst CBOA and instructors, as well as coaches, is to prepare the high school players for the college game. Also, it would be a major struggle for lower level (f/jv) girls teams to advance the ball against pressure consistently. Just my 2 cents as a contributor to the process.

I'm not a big shot clock guy for the high school game, but why not have a 10 sec. count anyway. I saw the NCAA W national chapionship game where Harding of Duke held the ball in the backcourt until the shot clock reached 10. How is this helping the game?? My question is this: on average how many 10 sec. call do you make a year?? My guess is probably less than 1 per game. So why not keep the game moving???

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nate1224hoops

I'm not a big shot clock guy for the high school game, but why not have a 10 sec. count anyway. I saw the NCAA W national chapionship game where Harding of Duke held the ball in the backcourt until the shot clock reached 10. How is this helping the game?? My question is this: on average how many 10 sec. call do you make a year?? My guess is probably less than 1 per game. So why not keep the game moving???

I do not think the issue is whether the game is helped by this rule or not. I simply think that the Women's game wants to be different than the Men's game and all other levels. That is why they have a rule for 5 seconds with the length of 3 feet and while holding the ball. None of these rules "help the game." They simply show that there are differences that might change strategy and the way the game is played.

Peace

[Nate1224hoops]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not think the issue is whether the game is helped by this rule or not. I simply think that the Women's game wants to be different than the Men's game and all other levels. That is why they have a rule for 5 seconds with the length of 3 feet and while holding the ball. None of these rules "help the game." They simply show that there are differences that might change strategy and the way the game is played.

Peace

It definetly stands out. VA hasn't gone to the shot clock yet, which I am sure they will at some point in the future, but other than the sake of being different I really don't understand not having the 10 sec. count. I just think that rule slows the game down a lot. Talk about getting a lead and playing four corners. Dean Smith coulda had a field day with this.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Nate1224hoops

It definetly stands out. VA hasn't gone to the shot clock yet, which I am sure they will at some point in the future, but other than the sake of being different I really don't understand not having the 10 sec. count. I just think that rule slows the game down a lot. Talk about getting a lead and playing four corners. Dean Smith coulda had a field day with this.

Nate - remember, the women use a 30-sec. shot clock, while the men use 35, so I'm not sure how much it actually slows down play. If anything, it provides more offensive posessions for the women than the men over the course of the game. And, in all the games I've done and seen, I've rarely seen much stalling in the backcourt. I don't know if it's just ingrained in our basketball culture to bring it up the court fast, or if there's other reasons. Perhaps coaches feel if they're going to pass the ball back and forth, they would rather not do it so close to the other team's basket. Or, if they spend 15-20 seconds playing keepaway in the backcourt, they have less time to get into the front court and into an offensive set.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nate1224hoops

It definetly stands out. VA hasn't gone to the shot clock yet, which I am sure they will at some point in the future, but other than the sake of being different I really don't understand not having the 10 sec. count. I just think that rule slows the game down a lot. Talk about getting a lead and playing four corners. Dean Smith coulda had a field day with this.

Dean Smith did not have a shot clock to work with in the days of the 4 corners offense. You still have to attempt a shot and hit the rim or lose the ball all together.

Peace

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Nate1224hoops

It definetly stands out. VA hasn't gone to the shot clock yet, which I am sure they will at some point in the future, but other than the sake of being different I really don't understand not having the 10 sec. count. I just think that rule slows the game down a lot. Talk about getting a lead and playing four corners. Dean Smith coulda had a field day with this.

They have 30 seconds to shoot. What does it matter where the ball is or what they're doing during that 30 seconds? Why does it matter that the player is standing on one side of the division line or the other? Well Duke was dribbling the ball in the BC, did Maryland have the option of going after her? Did they? Then waht does it matter?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nate1224hoops

I'm not a big shot clock guy for the high school game, but why not have a 10 sec. count anyway. I saw the NCAA W national chapionship game where Harding of Duke held the ball in the backcourt until the shot clock reached 10. How is this helping the game?? My question is this: on average how many 10 sec. call do you make a year?? My guess is probably less than 1 per game. So why not keep the game moving???

What difference does it make if they stand in the backcourt or just across the division line? They're doing the same thing (holding the ball) until defense gets played.