Interesting Scenario

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Rut,

Unless you are on the game or the assignor, it really does not matter what you think or if a T is justified.

Or at least that's what you told Snake. So if it doesn't matter what he thinks, why does it matter what you think?

That's just plain stupid.

It does not matter what I think as it relates to this post or any other posts. Anyone can take anything said here with a grain of salt and do what they see fit. So if I want to call a T and you do not, who here is going to stop me? Kind of what I do with your posts.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Once again, are you going to stop me from calling what I want to? I did not think so.

Peace

[coach41]

Hi All,

Wow, started a long thread....OOPS.

In any case, a couple of things just occured to me regarding this scenario I presented:

ONE - If the kid shooting the free throw made the initial free throw (or even the subsequent one), we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.

TWO - The 6th or 7th grade coach that copied this strategy from a high school coach probably didn't think about the fact he was dealing with middle school aged children. Free throw shooting is an adventure for even the best shooters at that age.

The 6th/7th grade coach have seen the high school coach employ the strategy. However, I would assume that the high school coach didn't have to sit through 6 or 7 missed free throws for the strategy to work. If I recall correctly, the strategy was employed by a coach at one of the local catholic boys high schools. The coach is a considered one of best in the area.

I do remember talking to my partners (oh, we were doing three man for the game in question) and we didn't come to a consenus on what should have been done.

Definitely an interesting game to remember.

[JRutledge]

Thank you once again for your self-righteous banter. We have all become better for it.

Peace

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Thank you once again for your self-righteous banter. We have all become better for it.

Peace

And we're all dumber from having read yours.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

And we're all dumber from having read yours.

Great comeback Tony. Now tell us all how much you do not read my posts. I thought you never read my posts at all?

Peace

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

And we're all dumber from having read yours.

Hey Tony, you've gotta put that guy on your Ignore List...makes the whole board a whole lot more enjoyable!

[BktBallRef]

He is now. I had him on Ignore and took it off last week when he got into it with somebody else over something stupid. Didn't turn it back on until last night. Put it's on now!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

He is now. I had him on Ignore and took it off last week when he got into it with somebody else over something stupid. Didn't turn it back on until last night. Put it's on now!

You do not need to put anyone on your ignore the list. I have my own personal ignore list long before the software change. Just do not respond to my posts. I do not respond to your post if it has nothing to do with me.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Is this the reason you responded to an answer that was never directed at you.

Very, very interesting Tony. Keep changing your story to accommodate your bull****.

Peace

[jkjenning]

Originally posted by coach41:
The 6th/7th grade coach have seen the high school coach employ the strategy. However, I would assume that the high school coach didn't have to sit through 6 or 7 missed free throws for the strategy to work. If I recall correctly, the strategy was employed by a coach at one of the local catholic boys high schools. The coach is a considered one of best in the area.

The thought that kept going through my mind through the productive posts of this thread was how cruel it could be to the FT shooter if he/she is poor at the line. I think if this drags out to more than a couple of FTs something has to be done to alleviate the kid's embarrasing situation. Part of game management and concern for the well-being of the players, imo.

[Back In The Saddle]

What is the point of this strategy? In the OP, A is down by 1, B gets 2 free throws and makes the first, tying the game. They then employ thier strategy, guaranteeing that B makes the second free throw, putting B up by 1. All this so that they get a throw-in with the clock stopped, which they then have to take the length of the floor and make a basket to come from behind in only 1 or 2 seconds.

That makes zero sense to me.

Looking at the possibilities:

• B makes the second free throw, which puts A right where they apparently want to be -- behind with 2 seconds to make a desperation shot
• B misses the free throw and A secures the rebound. They have a small chance of getting off a buzzer beater, but likely will go to overtime
• B misses the free throw and B secures the rebound. They try a put-back and miss. We go into overtime.
• B misses the free throw and B secures the rebound. They try a put-back and make it. B wins.

I'll take my chances on getting the rebound. Statistically speaking A is more likely to get the rebound than B. Even if B gets it, what are the odds the kid will make the put-back? 50%? 60%? Maybe even 70%? Assuming B has even as much as a 40% probability of gettting the rebound and as high as a 70% chance of making the put-back, that still leaves A with around a 70 - 75% chance of the game going to overtime.

On the other hand, what are the odds of A going the length of the floor in 1 to 2 seconds and making the now-required desperation shot? A LOT lower than 70%!

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

In the OP, A is down by 1, B gets 2 free throws and makes the first, tying the game.

Um, Ray, if A is down 1 and then B makes a FT, the game's not tied. . .

As far as the "how long do you let it go on" part of the play, this reminds me of the situation where players are lining up for a FT. B2 and B3 take the lowest spots and A2 and A3 line up in the next spots. Well, B2 doesn't like his matchup so he switches with B3. A2 then decides to switch with A3. The four players walk back and forth across the lane, b/c neither one likes his matchup. How long do you let this go on and how do you resolve it?

We talked about this and basically decided, you just stop it. You say, you guys pick a spot and stay there. Can you do this in the situation that we're talking about in this thread? "Hey guys, knock it off! Let it hit and let's play ball."

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

Um, Ray, if A is down 1 and then B makes a FT, the game's not tied. . .

I reject your reality and substitute my own!

Okay, it makes a lot more sense now.

Maybe this is my the kids don't let me help with their math homework any more.