Interesting Scenario

[ChuckElias]

For the 1,342nd time, making a travesty of the game is not grounds for issuing a technical foul. The penalty for such actions is a forfeit of the game (FED 5-4-1).

There is also no provision for issuing a T for repeated violations of the FT rules. You may be thinking of 10-3-6d, but that only addresses repeated violations of the throw-in rules.

You could issue a T if you simply consider the violations unsportsmanlike. But they don't seem unsportsmanlike to me; they seem strategic. I'd be tempted to tell the coach to play ball; if they don't want to play, then we'll just end the game.

I don't think I'd be able to do it in a real game tho, as much as I'd like to. I'd probably go with the T. It's easier to explain and accomplishes the same thing.

[tmp44]

In all honesty, guys, if the coach is using this as a strategic ploy, which it certainly looks like he is, then what is the difference between this and fouling at the end of the game? If you think about it, the purpose is the same: keep the clock stopped. We don't give Ts or forfeit games for a coach having his players commit 22 fouls in the last 2 minutes of the game, why should we give one here? Is the coach being a pain in the a$$? Yes, but it doesn't seem like we should punish him for employing, at least what it seems to me, a pretty smart strategic move. Just my $.02.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

For the 1,342nd time, making a travesty of the game is not grounds for issuing a technical foul. The penalty for such actions is a forfeit of the game (FED 5-4-1).

There is also no provision for issuing a T for repeated violations of the FT rules. You may be thinking of 10-3-6d, but that only addresses repeated violations of the throw-in rules.

You could issue a T if you simply consider the violations unsportsmanlike. But they don't seem unsportsmanlike to me; they seem strategic. I'd be tempted to tell the coach to play ball; if they don't want to play, then we'll just end the game.

I don't think I'd be able to do it in a real game tho, as much as I'd like to. I'd probably go with the T. It's easier to explain and accomplishes the same thing.

So....you come out guns ablazin' about how wrong a T is in this case only to talk yourself into agreeing with us?

[JRutledge]

If the same result is a T does it matter what the conclusion you came to on why you gave the T?

Peace

[Snake~eyes]

A T is not acceptable in this case. This is not a travesty of the game, the coach is not doing it to prolong the game, be a jerk ect ect. He is trying a LEGITIMATE strategy to try and get a throw-in with the clock stopped. Now you're going to give him a technical foul? That's ridiculous if you ask me.

[JRutledge]

Snake,

Unless you are on the game or the assignor, it really does not matter what you think or if a T is justified. The same would go for my opinion on this issue as it relates to your point of view. I do not think this is a legitimate strategy at all. I am going to give the coach some heads up, but a T might be in order because he is doing something to that is outside of the game and trying to use a loophole in a rule to get and advantage from that. I do not see that as a very sportsmanlike act. That is just my opinion on this issue.

Peace

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Snake,

Unless you are on the game or the assignor, it really does not matter what you think or if a T is justified. The same would go for my opinion on this issue as it relates to your point of view. I do not think this is a legitimate strategy at all. I am going to give the coach some heads up, but a T might be in order because he is doing something to that is outside of the game and trying to use a loophole in a rule to get and advantage from that. I do not see that as a very sportsmanlike act. That is just my opinion on this issue.

Rut,

Unless you are on the game or the assignor, it really does not matter what you think or if a T is justified.

Or at least that's what you told Snake. So if it doesn't matter what he thinks, why does it matter what you think?

That's just plain stupid.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Rut,

Unless you are on the game or the assignor, it really does not matter what you think or if a T is justified.

Or at least that's what you told Snake. So if it doesn't matter what he thinks, why does it matter what you think?

That's just plain stupid.

It does not matter what I think as it relates to this post or any other posts. Anyone can take anything said here with a grain of salt and do what they see fit. So if I want to call a T and you do not, who here is going to stop me? Kind of what I do with your posts.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Once again, are you going to stop me from calling what I want to? I did not think so.

Peace

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

So....you come out guns ablazin' about how wrong a T is in this case

No, the guns blazing were for people who continue to advocate a T for making a travesty of the game. If the game is a travesty, that means it's not going to continue. If it's bad enough to call it a travesty, you just end it.

In this case, however, I said that if you feel it needs to be penalized, the T is probably the better option, although I personally don't think it's particularly unsportsmanlike.

[deecee]

why is this T worthy?

on a miss team A has virtually 0% chance of tying or winning -- on a make they have probably a 10-20% chance to tie with a long pass and quick shot. JMO

why not T up a team when they foul at the end of the game because that is giving a team that is down an advantage to stop the clock and possibly come back. JMO

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by deecee

why is this T worthy?

on a miss team A has virtually 0% chance of tying or winning -- on a make they have probably a 10-20% chance to tie with a long pass and quick shot. JMO

why not T up a team when they foul at the end of the game because that is giving a team that is down an advantage to stop the clock and possibly come back. JMO

Why is anything T worthy? Do we not use our own opinions to what we feel crosses a line or does not cross a line?

Peace

[wanja]

A T seems like a sensible, practical response if there are multiple misses of the free thorw (e.g. in the worst case the opposing coach instructs his player to intentionally miss).

[NDRef]

After the third or fourth violation (or however many you decide), just DON'T call the violation. I would love to have the discussion with the coach why I am NOT calling violations on his team while he is arguing FOR violations against his team. This is a no better\no worse solution than T's, Forfeits, etc.