Interesting Scenario

[JRutledge]

Thank you once again for your self-righteous banter. We have all become better for it.

Peace

[jkjenning]

Originally posted by coach41:
The 6th/7th grade coach have seen the high school coach employ the strategy. However, I would assume that the high school coach didn't have to sit through 6 or 7 missed free throws for the strategy to work. If I recall correctly, the strategy was employed by a coach at one of the local catholic boys high schools. The coach is a considered one of best in the area.

The thought that kept going through my mind through the productive posts of this thread was how cruel it could be to the FT shooter if he/she is poor at the line. I think if this drags out to more than a couple of FTs something has to be done to alleviate the kid's embarrasing situation. Part of game management and concern for the well-being of the players, imo.

[Back In The Saddle]

What is the point of this strategy? In the OP, A is down by 1, B gets 2 free throws and makes the first, tying the game. They then employ thier strategy, guaranteeing that B makes the second free throw, putting B up by 1. All this so that they get a throw-in with the clock stopped, which they then have to take the length of the floor and make a basket to come from behind in only 1 or 2 seconds.

That makes zero sense to me.

Looking at the possibilities:

• B makes the second free throw, which puts A right where they apparently want to be -- behind with 2 seconds to make a desperation shot
• B misses the free throw and A secures the rebound. They have a small chance of getting off a buzzer beater, but likely will go to overtime
• B misses the free throw and B secures the rebound. They try a put-back and miss. We go into overtime.
• B misses the free throw and B secures the rebound. They try a put-back and make it. B wins.

I'll take my chances on getting the rebound. Statistically speaking A is more likely to get the rebound than B. Even if B gets it, what are the odds the kid will make the put-back? 50%? 60%? Maybe even 70%? Assuming B has even as much as a 40% probability of gettting the rebound and as high as a 70% chance of making the put-back, that still leaves A with around a 70 - 75% chance of the game going to overtime.

On the other hand, what are the odds of A going the length of the floor in 1 to 2 seconds and making the now-required desperation shot? A LOT lower than 70%!

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

In the OP, A is down by 1, B gets 2 free throws and makes the first, tying the game.

Um, Ray, if A is down 1 and then B makes a FT, the game's not tied. . .

As far as the "how long do you let it go on" part of the play, this reminds me of the situation where players are lining up for a FT. B2 and B3 take the lowest spots and A2 and A3 line up in the next spots. Well, B2 doesn't like his matchup so he switches with B3. A2 then decides to switch with A3. The four players walk back and forth across the lane, b/c neither one likes his matchup. How long do you let this go on and how do you resolve it?

We talked about this and basically decided, you just stop it. You say, you guys pick a spot and stay there. Can you do this in the situation that we're talking about in this thread? "Hey guys, knock it off! Let it hit and let's play ball."

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Thank you once again for your self-righteous banter. We have all become better for it.

Peace

And we're all dumber from having read yours.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

And we're all dumber from having read yours.

Great comeback Tony. Now tell us all how much you do not read my posts. I thought you never read my posts at all?

Peace

[JRutledge]

Is this the reason you responded to an answer that was never directed at you.

Very, very interesting Tony. Keep changing your story to accommodate your bull****.

Peace

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

And we're all dumber from having read yours.

Hey Tony, you've gotta put that guy on your Ignore List...makes the whole board a whole lot more enjoyable!

[BktBallRef]

He is now. I had him on Ignore and took it off last week when he got into it with somebody else over something stupid. Didn't turn it back on until last night. Put it's on now!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

He is now. I had him on Ignore and took it off last week when he got into it with somebody else over something stupid. Didn't turn it back on until last night. Put it's on now!

You do not need to put anyone on your ignore the list. I have my own personal ignore list long before the software change. Just do not respond to my posts. I do not respond to your post if it has nothing to do with me.

Peace

[Snake~eyes]

BITS, imagine a situation where the clock reads 1 second. Team A is up by 1 shooting 1 freethrow. If the player misses the freethrow then that's a quick rebound and a throw it up 3-pointer. If the kid makes the freethrow you can try and do a long pass and get a better shot.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

Um, Ray, if A is down 1 and then B makes a FT, the game's not tied. . .

I reject your reality and substitute my own!

Okay, it makes a lot more sense now.

Maybe this is my the kids don't let me help with their math homework any more.

[Nu1]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The violating team is lining up though. Every time. They are not committing the lane line violations until the live ball has left the shooter's hands on the free throw. That's the difference between what we're discussing and the case play, and it's a major difference-- live ball violation vs. dead ball violation.

Sorry it took so long to get back, but life had me busy! Just wanted to say...
Okay, I get it now! Thanks for the patience and clarification, Jurassic. If I was leaning towards a T before...I'm now leaning towards no T, not being able to see a rule that applies.