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View Poll Results: Are you in favor of these proposed rule changes?
28 ft coaching box 54 59.34%
Permitting gray shirt for officials 45 49.45%
Require headbands to be same color as jersey 25 27.47%
Eliminate closely guarded while dribbling 23 25.27%
Team control fouls during throw-in 58 63.74%
Stop clock on made basket in last minute of game 29 31.87%
Play in halves instead of quarters 39 42.86%
Allow a shot clock by state adoption 40 43.96%
Allow courtside replay for state championship games 33 36.26%
Extend the game length to 36 minutes 14 15.38%
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Old Sun Apr 02, 2006, 01:56pm
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Some not listed that I want changed:

1. Limit all head coach T's (indirect or direct) to 2 before ejection. There's no reason to allow 3 and indirect means they don't have control of their bench, team, players, etc.

2. Make all non-shooting fouls under 1 minute in the 4th quarter 2 shots plus point of interruption. I strongly disagree with Fed's comments that fouling to stop the clock is an acceptable part of the game. Why does the rules committee feel that committing a rules infraction should be considered part of the game? Now, this will usually mean 2 shots and the ball, however, point of interruption may need to be defined more precisely and if the foul is during a shot, it goes AP -- so it's not strictly the same as intentional foul.

3. Allow the coach to call a time out during a dead ball only and require a VISUAL signal for all time out calls, player or coach (maybe except the player in control of the ball).

4. Go back to allowing players in the lane on the release of the free throw. This is hard to call as is and isn't enforced well anyway.

5. Require the head coach to sign the scorebook 10 minutes prior to the game (or less by state association adoption for subvarsity competition). The officials shouldn't have to chase down the head coach and give them the option of signing or approving the book when he or she doesn't want to, then get yelled when they didn't do it and the team has incorrect info.
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Old Sun Apr 02, 2006, 02:27pm
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Why does the rules committee feel that committing a rules infraction should be considered part of the game?
"Hack-a-Shaq"? "Make 'em earn 'em at the FT line?" - fouling as strategy is common.

I think that fouling towards the end of the game places a good emphasis on FTs - why allow a team to be a horrible FT shooting team and still get the ball back just because we're towards the end of the game????
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Old Sun Apr 02, 2006, 02:31pm
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2. Make all non-shooting fouls under 1 minute in the 4th quarter 2 shots plus point of interruption.

4. Go back to allowing players in the lane on the release of the free throw. This is hard to call as is and isn't enforced well anyway.

5. Require the head coach to sign the scorebook 10 minutes prior to the game (or less by state association adoption for subvarsity competition). The officials shouldn't have to chase down the head coach and give them the option of signing or approving the book when he or she doesn't want to, then get yelled when they didn't do it and the team has incorrect info.
2) Well, that that would be kind of a tough penalty for player and team control fouls, wouldn't it?

4) It might not be enforced well in your locale in Texas, but I can't agree that it's hard to call and isn't enforced well in other places.

5) Is that a local Texas rule to give a coach an option of signing the scorebook before the game? It sureasheck ain't in the rules. We don't chase any coaches before the game to sign the book, and never have.
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Old Sun Apr 02, 2006, 03:18pm
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2. I think you should know I was gearing for the fouling to stop the clock crowd. That would mean this wouldn't apply, obviously, to player control fouls. Perhaps a little thought would have to be given to team control fouls, but as of now, I don't see exempting them as a problem either.

4. Then explain how the lead can see both the rim and the feet of players on the lane opposite him. I have as good a perifial vision as anyone and get back farther than everyone, yet I still have trouble seeing both the rim and the players' feet. Further, it isn't necessary. There's no reason not to allow them in the lane. If there's a foul, call the foul. I played under this rule in HS and before (I think) and then the rule changed. Why they changed it back I don't know.

5. It isn't a rule per se, but more of a custom that I don't like. I was out of officiating for a while and came back in, and now it seems to be of widespread use in varsity and JV games. I'd prefer just to check the book at 10 and leave it at that. Some say if you give the coach the book to sign, then they can't complain when there's a problem later. I had a game eariler this year where a coach actually complained after a player reported who wasn't in the book that we didn't give him a chance to sign the book; we responded it was a courtesy and not a requirement, but he still argued it was required. At any rate, I had many more book related technicals this year than in all my years of previous basketball officiating.

These were posted as ideas, not specific word for word rule changes or to be strictly interpreted as such. I'm just trying to get a discussion going, so ignore absolutes like "all."
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Old Sun Apr 02, 2006, 05:37pm
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Originally Posted by Texas Aggie
Some not listed that I want changed:
2. Make all non-shooting fouls under 1 minute in the 4th quarter 2 shots plus point of interruption. I strongly disagree with Fed's comments that fouling to stop the clock is an acceptable part of the game. Why does the rules committee feel that committing a rules infraction should be considered part of the game? Now, this will usually mean 2 shots and the ball, however, point of interruption may need to be defined more precisely and if the foul is during a shot, it goes AP -- so it's not strictly the same as intentional foul.

5. Require the head coach to sign the scorebook 10 minutes prior to the game (or less by state association adoption for subvarsity competition). The officials shouldn't have to chase down the head coach and give them the option of signing or approving the book when he or she doesn't want to, then get yelled when they didn't do it and the team has incorrect info.
There was an "experiment" by the fed a few years ago where they tried to implement what you suggest: end of game fouls to stop the clock (strategic fouls) are against the laws of nature and are to be penalized with an intentional foul. They even wanted us to call intentional when the coach yelled "foul 'em". It was a disaster because stategic fouls ARE a part of the game & the fed finally did away with that idiotic interpretation, leading to the current interpretation. What you want the fed to do is never, ever going to happen.

On the book thing, I have no idea why this is a big deal. You're right, the officials shouldn't be chasing anybody down. If you want to be a hard@ss about administrative fouls then the rules permit you to do so at exactly 10 minutes before the start of the game. And if a coach ever yelled at me because HE screwed up the book I would have no problem giving his opponents 2 more FTs.
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Old Sun Apr 02, 2006, 06:40pm
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Well, I think some of the rule changes would be fine. They should be:

2 - 36 min halves with a 30 second shot clock for boys
2 - 32 min halves with a 35 second shot cock for girls

Grey pin stripped shirts for officials so that they are not so obvious on the court. Officials should be heard, (whistle) instead of seen.

12 foot coaching box...keep them contained.
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Old Sun Apr 02, 2006, 06:51pm
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Grey pin stripped shirts for officials so that they are not so obvious on the court. Officials should be heard, (whistle) instead of seen.
Naw, I can't agree with that either. The idea of implementing the distinctive striped-shirts many, many moons ago was so that players would have no difficulty determining between the players and the officials out on the floor. And the saying "officials should be not be noticed" refers to our actions on trhe court, not our visibility.

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Old Sun Apr 02, 2006, 06:54pm
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agreed...there is no issue there with me on that...i'm satisfied, but it might give a different touch. What is the current status on the grey shirts? Is this rumor or is it a possiblity? I hear alot of talk. Thanks, i'm glad to be a member...I didn't even know there was such a site.
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Old Sun Apr 02, 2006, 07:13pm
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Well, I think some of the rule changes would be fine. They should be:

2 - 36 min halves with a 30 second shot clock for boys
2 - 32 min halves with a 35 second shot cock for girls
36 minute halves?!?!?! Those are going to be some LOOOOOOOOONG games. I hope they raise your pay.

And I happen to think that OMT guy knows what he's talking about.
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Old Sun Apr 02, 2006, 07:29pm
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yah, your probably right...then maybe there shouldn't be any rule changes at all, except for the coaching box
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Old Sun Apr 02, 2006, 07:34pm
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And I happen to think that OMT guy knows what he's talking about.
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