The magic number

[AZ_REF]

Using the shot clock to gauge backcourt is a bad idea for a number or reasons. However it depends on the clock. If the clock ticks down at x.9, the first tick from 35 to 34 happens at .1 seconds. When the clock showed 25 there could be 25.9 seconds left.

If the click ticks at x.0, the first tick happens at 1 second. In this case 34.5 would read 35 still. At 25 there could be 24 to 24.99 seconds left in this case.

Locally we had the same discussion with the new reset rule on a kicked ball. One opnion was that if the shot clock read 15 we were to instruct the clock operator to reset it to 15 seconds. However this could be a bad idea due to the reasons outlined above. Hope my math makes sense to everybody.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by AZ_REF

Locally we had the same discussion with the new reset rule on a kicked ball. One opnion was that if the shot clock read 15 we were to instruct the clock operator to reset it to 15 seconds. However this could be a bad idea due to the reasons outlined above. Hope my math makes sense to everybody.

I don't see why this is an issue 1 way or the other. The rule tells us exactly what to do:

2-14-6f:
When an intentionally kicked ball occurs with 15 seconds or less
remaining, reset to 15 seconds.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

I don't see why this is an issue 1 way or the other. The rule tells us exactly what to do:

2-14-6f:
When an intentionally kicked ball occurs with 15 seconds or less
remaining, reset to 15 seconds.

Right, and the reason the rule is written that way is because the shot clock (all shot clocks, afaik) work the way M&M said -- the "actual time" is equal to or fractions less than the time shown.

So, if the shot clock is used for BC violations, call it when the clock hits 25.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Right, and the reason the rule is written that way is because the shot clock (all shot clocks, afaik) work the way M&M said -- the "actual time" is equal to or fractions less than the time shown.

So, if the shot clock is used for BC violations, call it when the clock hits 25.

Oops, I didn't see M&Ms post before I posted mine. I agree 118% with him.

[jritchie]

i was going to say the same thing....if you notice the shot clock when it is reset, it doesn't change for one second....if it changed from 35 to 34 in 1 tenth then you would say 10 seconds would be 24.99....... but since it doesn't change from 35 to 34 for a whole second you can tell that they run differently than the game clocks.....so the 10 or 8 seconds will be actual time shown....25 ncaa and 16 for nba... thanks m&m for the explanation..i agree totally

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by jritchie

i was going to say the same thing....if you notice the shot clock when it is reset, it doesn't change for one second....if it changed from 35 to 34 in 1 tenth then you would say 10 seconds would be 24.99....... but since it doesn't change from 35 to 34 for a whole second you can tell that they run differently than the game clocks.....so the 10 or 8 seconds will be actual time shown....25 ncaa and 16 for nba... thanks m&m for the explanation..i agree totally

The NBA has different wording than the NCAA.

Under violations the NCAA says something like, "...10 consecutive seconds..." and the NBA says, "...more than 8 seconds..." IMO, that means the NBA violation would read, "...9 consecutive seconds..." if written the same as the NCAA. What do you guys think?

[Dan_ref]

Tom, I think'you're right.