you make the call video

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

It's a term some of my NCAA-level buddies use when discussing PC/Block plays. Did the secondary (or help defender or whatever term anyone wants to use) defender establish LGP prior to collision/contact? Usually plays involving penetration to the basket where primary defender gets beat and secondary defender in paint slides over to help. They discuss 'L' picking up secondary defender and having a whistle on those types of crashes. IMO this block/charge video clip is a perfect example. The 'C' has eyes on the ball-handler and the defender trailing him. 'L' was in position to referee the defense, in this case the secondary defender.

Sorry badnews, with respect to applying the rule primary or secondary have no meaning. We can talk about who has responsibility for each, but under ncaa mens rules there's no difference in how LGP is obtained or how the call is made.

I'll vote block on this one btw. Seems B1 moved under A1 while he was in the air.

[crazy voyager]

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy

Huh?

Since when is a defender allowed to move sideways?

Whenever you have block/charge, ask yourself "what did the defender do wrong?" - after all, you are supposed to be reffing the defense. If your answer is "nothing", call charge. If your answer contains the words "moves sideways", it's a block.

Having said all this, I think this is one of those calls where you could probably call charge and never get any heat for it. It'd be the wrong call, but you could get away with it.

Remember I go by fiba rules

33.4
The defensive player may remain stationary, jump vertycally, move laterally or move backwards in order to maintain intial legal gaurding position.

You can go back, you can go sideways, and you still have your gaurding position. The defender was in his cylinder, face to his opponent. Moved sideways (allowed) and the offensive player jumped into him. Imo that's a charge

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy

Huh?

Since when is a defender allowed to move sideways?

Whenever you have block/charge, ask yourself "what did the defender do wrong?" - after all, you are supposed to be reffing the defense. If your answer is "nothing", call charge. If your answer contains the words "moves sideways", it's a block.

Having said all this, I think this is one of those calls where you could probably call charge and never get any heat for it. It'd be the wrong call, but you could get away with it.

What does the word lateral mean?

[crazy voyager]

move laterally=move sideways

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy

Since when is a defender allowed to move sideways?

Since approximately forever.

The defense is allowed to move to maintain LGP. The defense is not allowed to move "toward" the offense. If the defense moves sideways and the contact is on the torso, it's (generally) a PC foul.

[FishinRef]

I have a block - Good call.

Here is how it stacks up so far -

BLOCK = 11 GUYS CALL IT A BLOCK
CHARGE = 4 GUYS CALL IT A CHARGE

The Grand Jury in this case says it's a block so far.