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Sat Feb 18, 2006, 09:07am
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Watching boys Varsity game last night and the official hands the ball to our opponent for a free throw. Player takes a couple of dribbles , gets ready to shoot and the official blows the whistle. Official says that the players foot was over the free throw line and give us the ball. Opposing coach is questioning the official and he indicates that the players foot was over the line. Isn't the violation when the player shoots the ball and has their foot over the line ( not just dribbling the ball ) ?
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Sat Feb 18, 2006, 12:29pm
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Adfter the free-throw shooter has received the ball from the administering official, it is a violation if he/she then steps on or over any line - the free-throw line or the free-throw semicircle line- anytime before the ball hits the ring or backboard or the free-throw ends.
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Mon Feb 20, 2006, 09:08am
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And I wish y'all would call 3 seconds when the offensive player is by the free throw line and the lane line and his shoe lace is touching the line. This is a call I seldom seen made, and I don't know why you don't enforce it.
I believe there is a case where the shooter loses control of the ball, and steps over the line. I believe casebook states the referee should blow the whistle and restart, and not necessarily call the violation.
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Mon Feb 20, 2006, 06:11pm
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I understand the book rule for this situation, but what advantage did the shooter gain by sliding his foot past the line while dribbling, but then have it behind the line when he is ready to shoot? I would probably use a little preventative officiating by not calling the violation, and quietly tell the shooter to remain behind the line. A call like that is what drives coaches nuts!!!
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Mon Feb 20, 2006, 06:40pm
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The advantage gained by this action is possibly a point or the game. If indeed it was a violation, if the shooter stepped over the line because of an ill fated pass from the official then you would allow the shooter to reset and readminister the free throw. If the violation is strickly the fault of the shooter then call it. Do you allow a person inbounding the pass to step over the line? Consistancy is the key.
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Mon Feb 20, 2006, 07:34pm
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I'm with WIRef here...there's being a "book" official and a "real" official that separates the top refs from ones that stay mediocre. I don't know, but has anyone been to a camp where the clinicians tell you to call a toe over the line? I haven't, but I've certainly been to several that say to pass on that call.
A common term used in reffing is being "overly officious." Calling a toe over the line falls into that definition. A full step may be different, but I'd still warn in that case...especially for only a varsity game. Highschool kids are going to make mistakes without you pointing it out to the gym. Pull him/her aside and have a word...I assure you that this kid won't go over the line again even with a softer intervention.
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Mon Feb 20, 2006, 07:45pm
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Mon Feb 20, 2006, 08:01pm
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Just simply, it's the judgment of the official that makes him/her great. That official will be able to judge in that given situation what "too much" is.
For instance, if after you talked to the player he still puts his foot over the line (for argument's sake, even less than before) you may wish to call a violation now because he's disregarded your advice. If the coach goes off, then you have the wildcard in your back pocket to say that you'd already warned before and already gave your team a break. Now here's where your judgment comes in...you may NOT wish to call a violation in that exact same situation because it's an even less obvious infraction from before. In essence, there's no magic point obviously which dictates that the player violated. By definition, obviously he violated the moment his foot went over the line while dribbling the ball. You need to simply exercise your discretion on possible minute violations. Does that extra 1-3" really create that much of an advantage when shooting a free throw from fifteen FEET away? Essentially, it could be the difference between a made basket and a clang off the rim, but if I'm the only one in the gym that saw that, then it's going to stay that way. Everyone isn't an NCAA/NBA offical who has years of experience to draw from, but if you'd like to get to that level you have to start demonstrating the appropriate discipline given the particulars of the game at that time. Unless it's egregious, you're not seeing one of those refs make this call.
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Mon Feb 20, 2006, 08:31pm
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If it's the first half, there's a real good chance the other coach is going to see it.
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Mon Feb 20, 2006, 09:06pm
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It's a violation that everybody in the gym can see. It's no different than a player with the ball stepping on a boundary line, or a player with the ball in the front court stepping backward onto the division line. There's no judgement involved in these calls at all. There's also certainly no "preventive officiating" involved either. Do you warn dribblers not to step on a side line? Adavantage/disadvantage does not apply to a basic violation that everyone in the gym can see. Never has. Never will. Bad advice imo.
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Mon Feb 20, 2006, 09:11pm
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O.K. for arguments sake lets say you and the opposing coach are the only twopeople in the gym that see the violation. What do you say to the coach when you opt to pass on that call.
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Mon Feb 20, 2006, 09:12pm
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