Dealing with uncooperative partner - Page 3

socalreff · #31 (**permalink**) Wed Aug 24, 2005, 03:45pm

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Originally posted by bob jenkins

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Originally posted by ChrisSportsFan

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Originally posted by socalreff
What no one has mentioned in all this is that in 2 man the post call from the trail when the ball is in lead's corner is the TRAIL's primary, NOT the lead's. Obviously, the lead does not know coverages if he thought it was his call. Why hasn't anbody talked about this? If I knew my partner was a 2nd year official, I would put him in the know about coverage areas depending on where the ball is. Since we teach this exact play in our unit, our guys probably would know it already.

Maybe I don't understand what you are saying but I interpret that you are suggesting that the trail reach all the way across the court to the leads corner to make a call?? If that's what you're saying, you might have missed something when your board was teaching that because I'm pretty sure that's not what they said.

I don't think that's what he's saying. He's saying that when the ball is in the lead's corner, that the trail must watch the post players, even if the post players are on L's side of the lane.

I agree.

The "primary areas" determine who watches the ball, and the defender(s) nearest the ball, and any on-ball screens, etc. The other official(s) watch(es) everything else.

Thank you Bob for understanding. I think too many officials look at those coverage areas and think it applies to all calls all the time. I know that if I have action in my corner as Lead and the Trail isn't reffing the post, he might as well go home. What else is there to watch? I like to think in terms of a 2 man system, not 2 man mechanics. As the off ball official, just referee the most competitive off ball matchup no matter where it is. Your partner is busy on the ball.

26 Year Gap · #32 (**permalink**) Wed Aug 24, 2005, 07:50pm

I am entering my 3rd year this time around and attended a summer camp a couple of weeks ago. We were implementing the new rules including the team control foul. We worked games with more experienced officials. He called a foul on the offensive team and then called for shots at the other end. Everyone was confused as was I. He was T & I was watching off ball post play when the call was made. Before shots were administered, I came up to him and asked, "What do you have?" "Foul on blue offense, shooting the bonus." "Was it a team control foul or had a shot gone up?", I asked. "No shot. Team control." "So, should we be putting this ball in play at POI as this may be under one of the new rules?" "You are right. No shots. I will go explain things to the coaches."

Mind you, that I was speaking to him away from all players and table personnel in a low tone so only the two of us could hear the conversation. He was able to give instructions as to the new rule without embarrassment and the game went on. A couple of years ago, I would have acted like a know-it-all. Your partner will eventually be hung out to dry and hopefully, he will learn from the experience.