free throw lane issues

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Fixed it for ya.

Well.....I'm damn well doing my best not to!

I'm gonna live in Neverland.

Nope, not the one where I have to sleep with Mikey in lieu of paying rent. The other one. [/B][/QUOTE]

[Jurassic Referee]

LOL!!

Thanks, now I'm sleeping with the lights on tonight.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by bballrob
OK, let me make sure I have this straight....It's OK to post pictures about MJ molesting little boys, but if I post that picture of the retard running, I'll get my arse chewed again?

You must have a pretty good (if not ugly) imagination if you're seeing a little boy getting molested in that picture.

What do you see in here I wonder??

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by bballrob
Standard pattern #7 in the Rorshack series to test obssessive compulsiveness.

Did you pass or fail?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by bballrob
OK, let me make sure I have this straight....It's OK to post pictures about MJ molesting little boys, but if I post that picture of the retard running, I'll get my arse chewed again?

You do have a way with words, dont'ya, Bush?

Unbelievable.

[M&M Guy]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Btw, ol' BushRef is a Cubs' fan.

Kinda appropriate, dontya think?

Oh geez, please don't tell me that. The rest of us aren't feelin' too well these days as it is...

tmp44 - there's another batch in back - do you want plain or seasoned salt?

What keeps getting passed up in this argument is (gasp!) maybe both sides are right. There are calls that are made or passed on in a rec league game that are different in a HS championship game. Just like there are calls made or passed on in a 6th grade game that you will never encounter in...are you ready Dan?...the SEC. The correct call in this adult league game was the T. In the HS game the kids will be much better coached, so this will not occur. If it did, preventative measures will work in the HS game, but not as much in the rec game, so the calls are made accordingly.

Now, let's get on with it, my popcorn's gettin' cold.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by M&M Guy


Just like there are calls made or passed on in a 6th grade game that you will never encounter in...are you ready Dan?...the SEC.

M&M, I don't care what they say about you, you're OK!

[Camron Rust]

Been away for a few days...too much work. Looks like I missed a good one!

My opinion...no T's. Definitely not on just one player.

I've got two possible solutions

1. When ref is ready to administer FT, there better be no players in the lane. I tell them to find a spot. If they had a time to get to a spot and are still in the lane when I'm ready to bounce, it's a delay of game warning.

2. Instead of a delay warning...tell them to find a spot.."I'm bouncing the ball to the shooter in 3 seconds. If you're in the lane when the ball gets to him, it'll be a violation." Bounce it on 3. Call the violation. They had the chance to find a spot.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Camron Rust

1. When ref is ready to administer FT, there better be no players in the lane. I tell them to find a spot. If they had a time to get to a spot and are still in the lane when I'm ready to bounce, it's a delay of game warning.

2. Instead of a delay warning...tell them to find a spot.."I'm bouncing the ball to the shooter in 3 seconds. If you're in the lane when the ball gets to him, it'll be a violation." Bounce it on 3. Call the violation. They had the chance to find a spot.

Hate to have to repeat myself but:

1) There is no NFHS rule that will allow you to issue a delay of game warning. If you think differently, please cite the rule.
2) Doesn't the mechanics manual tell us that the L isn't supposed to administer the FT until all players along the lanes are set?

There's no rules justification for either suggestion of your's.

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Hate to have to repeat myself but:

1) There is no NFHS rule that will allow you to issue a delay of game warning. If you think differently, please cite the rule.
2) Doesn't the mechanics manual tell us that the L isn't supposed to administer the FT until all players along the lanes are set?

There's no rules justification for either suggestion of your's.

The spirit and intent of the delay of game warning it to get players out of the lane in order to administer the FT. The overwhelming instance of this is the "huddle".

Teams don't get a free timeout. They don't get an infinite amount of time to find a spot

There is no more of a justification or need to issue a T for entering the lane or for requiring that either team pick their spots first.

Whether you use the delay warning direclty or use 2-3 (since this situation is quite clearly NOT covered in the rules) it doesn't really matter. A T is overkill for this. Some action is necessary otherwise we'll be there for weeks.

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by Camron Rust

There is no more of a justification or need to issue a T for entering the lane or for requiring that either team pick their spots first.
... A T is overkill for this. Some action is necessary otherwise we'll be there for weeks.

10-1-5b. Delay the game by preventing the ball from being made promptly live or from being put in play.

This article goes on to mention the RPP, but that doesn't mean it applies only to the RPP. It clearly shows that it's a T to prevent the ball from becoming live.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by rainmaker

10-1-5b. Delay the game by preventing the ball from being made promptly live or from being put in play.

This article goes on to mention the RPP, but that doesn't mean it applies only to the RPP. It clearly shows that it's a T to prevent the ball from becoming live.

Exactly. There is rules backing for the issuance of a "T". There is no rules backing for the issuance of a warning. Gotta use what we got, not what we wished we had.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by bballrob

But what about when you got an officials manual telling you to blow the whistle to signal play is sabout to resume following a timeout, and it is going to resume by freethrows?

How is that really relevant to this situation? You're talking about a mechanic versus a rule. Apples/oranges. If they ignore your whistle following the TO, that's when you start applying the appropriate rule.

[mplagrow]

Guys, I finally got around to going through this whole thread, and everybody is missing the obvious solution. How about just standing there, and watching the jack@$$e$ go back and forth, back and forth until everyone in the gym yelled at them to KNOCK IT OFF! I'd get a kick out of waiting to see how many times they'd go back and forth before they finally realized that they weren't accomplishing anything.

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by bballrob
THe more I think abou this, the more I'd let em walk back in forth if it was in the rec league I sometimes work, cause we play RUNNING CLOCK!!>

Well, see, just another example of using the rules, and mechanics, at your own discretion. Forget this letter of the law stuff. Let the players decide the game. The best ref is the one you never notice. Don't break the flow of the game (in this case back and forth across the lane) with an arbitrary whistle. I AGREE WITH ROB!!