free throw lane issues

icallfouls

Originally posted by bballrob
The rulebook states something to the effect of "Failure to comply with the request of an official" as being grounds for a T. Good call. And what the hell, call it in the State Championship too, if the kids won't listen. Bottom line is, this WASN'T a state championship High School or College game. It was "adult"(if you can call them that) rec league game. Well done.

Fine.
Call that in your state high school championship game and it will be your last high school championship game. Talk to the vets in your area and ask them if they make that call. The answer is no, better game management would have solved this.

Jurassic Referee

Originally posted by bballrob
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Just cause they've posted a bunch of psychobabble on chuck's annual baseball thread doesn't mean they deserve more respect then the rest of us. "SENIOR MEMBER" don't mean squat other then it shows you got too much time on your hands.

[/B][/QUOTE]Ooooooooo.

Ol' BushRef has still got that burr under his butt.

Got a new name picked out yet for your next return? 😀

Dan_ref

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Originally posted by bballrob

Just cause they've posted a bunch of psychobabble on chuck's annual baseball thread doesn't mean they deserve more respect then the rest of us. "SENIOR MEMBER" don't mean squat other then it shows you got too much time on your hands.

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Ooooooooo.

Ol' BushRef has still got that burr under his butt.

Got a new name picked out yet for your next return? 😀 [/B][/QUOTE]

I suggest Angry Little Boy.

btw...you posting psychobabble on Chuck's annual baseball thread again? I thought we got you to cut it out.

icallfouls

Originally posted by bballrob

Originally posted by icallfouls

DC

If two players square off as if to fight, are you just going to T up one of them? I doubt you would. You and I T them both to let them know both were caught.

Speak for yourself man. YOU may only T them both, but I'm tossing em both, and I'd bet that DC is going to as well, but I'll let him make that known.

Originally posted by icallfouls

I don't see alot of support for your T in this situation from more of the "senior" members, because they know that the call did not improve the game.

Just cause they've posted a bunch of psychobabble on chuck's annual baseball thread doesn't mean they deserve more respect then the rest of us. "SENIOR MEMBER" don't mean squat other then it shows you got too much time on your hands.

[Edited by bballrob on May 12th, 2005 at 03:37 PM]

Understand that neither player in my example was going to fight. Check your definition of a fight. It requires an attempt to hit, among other things. Watch some of the NCAA games where this happens. No one gets tossed, unless punches are thrown, for squaring off. Talk to anyone who has been there. Ask them, tell them about the free throw situation, and then tell them about this one. You've got to understand the game grasshopper.

Senior members, I was refering to the referees who actually know how to officiate under big time pressure, officials that have worked the state playoffs/championships, or college tournaments/playoffs, etc. We have some here.

Its time to golf. L8R

Jurassic Referee

Originally posted by Dan_ref

btw...you posting psychobabble on Chuck's annual baseball thread again? I thought we got you to cut it out. [/B]

Hell, my middle name is pychobabble.

Woody Pyschobabble Jurassicref.

Btw, ol' BushRef is a Cubs' fan.

Kinda appropriate, dontya think?

Jurassic Referee

Originally posted by icallfouls

You've got to understand the game grasshopper.

[/B][/QUOTE]I have seen the error of my ways. Let me apologize to all of the big time referees out there that support your stance. Gee, when I grow up, I can only hope and dream that I might possibly learn to be able to officiate under big time pressure too.

Yup, us l'il grasshoppers have got their big time hopes too.

I hereby defer to your brilliant officiating knowledge.

We are not worthy!
🙇

Dan_ref

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Gee, ~~when~~ if I grow up, I can only hope and dream that I might possibly learn to be able to officiate under big time pressure too.
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Fixed it for ya.

tmp44

Originally posted by Dan_ref

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Gee, ~~when~~ if I grow up, I can only hope and dream that I might possibly learn to be able to officiate under big time pressure too.

Fixed it for ya. [/B][/QUOTE]

Is there any popcorn left or should I go make some more? 🙄

Jurassic Referee

Originally posted by Dan_ref

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Gee, ~~when~~ if I grow up, I can only hope and dream that I might possibly learn to be able to officiate under big time pressure too.

Fixed it for ya. [/B][/QUOTE]Well.....I'm damn well doing my best not to!

I'm gonna live in Neverland.

Nope, not the one where I have to sleep with Mikey in lieu of paying rent. 😮 The other one.

Dan_ref

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Originally posted by Dan_ref

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Gee, ~~when~~ if I grow up, I can only hope and dream that I might possibly learn to be able to officiate under big time pressure too.

Fixed it for ya.

Well.....I'm damn well doing my best not to!

I'm gonna live in Neverland.

Nope, not the one where I have to sleep with Mikey in lieu of paying rent. 😮 The other one. [/B][/QUOTE]

Jurassic Referee

LOL!!

Thanks, now I'm sleeping with the lights on tonight.

Dan_ref

Originally posted by bballrob
OK, let me make sure I have this straight....It's OK to post pictures about MJ molesting little boys, but if I post that picture of the retard running, I'll get my arse chewed again?

You must have a pretty good (if not ugly) imagination if you're seeing a little boy getting molested in that picture.

What do you see in here I wonder??

Dan_ref

Originally posted by bballrob
Standard pattern #7 in the Rorshack series to test obssessive compulsiveness.

Did you pass or fail?

Jurassic Referee

Originally posted by bballrob
OK, let me make sure I have this straight....It's OK to post pictures about MJ molesting little boys, but if I post that picture of the retard running, I'll get my arse chewed again?

You do have a way with words, dont'ya, Bush?

Unbelievable.

M&M Guy

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Btw, ol' BushRef is a Cubs' fan.

Kinda appropriate, dontya think?

Oh geez, please don't tell me that. The rest of us aren't feelin' too well these days as it is... 🙁

tmp44 - there's another batch in back - do you want plain or seasoned salt?

What keeps getting passed up in this argument is (gasp!) maybe both sides are right. There are calls that are made or passed on in a rec league game that are different in a HS championship game. Just like there are calls made or passed on in a 6th grade game that you will never encounter in...are you ready Dan?...the SEC. The correct call in this adult league game was the T. In the HS game the kids will be much better coached, so this will not occur. If it did, preventative measures will work in the HS game, but not as much in the rec game, so the calls are made accordingly.

Now, let's get on with it, my popcorn's gettin' cold.

Dan_ref

Originally posted by M&M Guy

Just like there are calls made or passed on in a 6th grade game that you will never encounter in...are you ready Dan?...the SEC.

😀

M&M, I don't care what they say about you, you're OK!

😀

Camron Rust

Been away for a few days...too much work. 🙁 Looks like I missed a good one!

My opinion...no T's. Definitely not on just one player.

I've got two possible solutions

1. When ref is ready to administer FT, there better be no players in the lane. I tell them to find a spot. If they had a time to get to a spot and are still in the lane when I'm ready to bounce, it's a delay of game warning.

2. Instead of a delay warning...tell them to find a spot.."I'm bouncing the ball to the shooter in 3 seconds. If you're in the lane when the ball gets to him, it'll be a violation." Bounce it on 3. Call the violation. They had the chance to find a spot.

Jurassic Referee

Originally posted by Camron Rust

1. When ref is ready to administer FT, there better be no players in the lane. I tell them to find a spot. If they had a time to get to a spot and are still in the lane when I'm ready to bounce, it's a delay of game warning.

2. Instead of a delay warning...tell them to find a spot.."I'm bouncing the ball to the shooter in 3 seconds. If you're in the lane when the ball gets to him, it'll be a violation." Bounce it on 3. Call the violation. They had the chance to find a spot.

Hate to have to repeat myself but:

1) There is no NFHS rule that will allow you to issue a delay of game warning. If you think differently, please cite the rule.
2) Doesn't the mechanics manual tell us that the L isn't supposed to administer the FT until all players along the lanes are set?

There's no rules justification for either suggestion of your's.

Camron Rust

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Originally posted by Camron Rust

1. When ref is ready to administer FT, there better be no players in the lane. I tell them to find a spot. If they had a time to get to a spot and are still in the lane when I'm ready to bounce, it's a delay of game warning.

2. Instead of a delay warning...tell them to find a spot.."I'm bouncing the ball to the shooter in 3 seconds. If you're in the lane when the ball gets to him, it'll be a violation." Bounce it on 3. Call the violation. They had the chance to find a spot.
Hate to have to repeat myself but:

1) There is no NFHS rule that will allow you to issue a delay of game warning. If you think differently, please cite the rule.
2) Doesn't the mechanics manual tell us that the L isn't supposed to administer the FT until all players along the lanes are set?

There's no rules justification for either suggestion of your's.

The spirit and intent of the delay of game warning it to get players out of the lane in order to administer the FT. The overwhelming instance of this is the "huddle".

Teams don't get a free timeout. They don't get an infinite amount of time to find a spot

There is no more of a justification or need to issue a T for entering the lane or for requiring that either team pick their spots first.

Whether you use the delay warning direclty or use 2-3 (since this situation is quite clearly NOT covered in the rules) it doesn't really matter. A T is overkill for this. Some action is necessary otherwise we'll be there for weeks.

rainmaker

Originally posted by Camron Rust

There is no more of a justification or need to issue a T for entering the lane or for requiring that either team pick their spots first.
... A T is overkill for this. Some action is necessary otherwise we'll be there for weeks.

10-1-5b. Delay the game by preventing the ball from being made promptly live or from being put in play.

This article goes on to mention the RPP, but that doesn't mean it applies only to the RPP. It clearly shows that it's a T to prevent the ball from becoming live.

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