Double Foul Before Try Is Released

[Raymond]

Sanity check since I'm no longer a rules nerd since coming off the court these last three seasons.

A1 is clearly in his shooting motion. Prior to the release of the shot, B2 and A2 foul each other. The try is successful.

Does continuous motion apply since one of the fouls was on the defense, or does continuous motion not apply since the double foul occurred while there was still team control prior to the release of the try.

Same situation, but the try is unsuccessful. Do we go to the AP arrow or does Team A get the ball back?


Now make the DF on A1 and B1 prior to the release of the try. Does that change any of the rulings?

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[SNIPERBBB]

Since we dont have a try and there's no continuation with a double foul...ball is dead, no basket, throw in for A

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

Since we dont have a try and there's no continuation with a double foul...ball is dead, no basket, throw in for A

I'm participating in a discussion in a Facebook group in which I'm being told the status of the ball (try release or not released) is not of consequence in adjudicating a certain play scenario involving a double foul.



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[SNIPERBBB]

Guessing it's not the NFHS Basketball or Basketball Official Forum pages as thTa the ok only ones other than the state page I follow for basketball.

Would be nice for a direct case play for this.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

Guessing it's not the NFHS Basketball or Basketball Official Forum pages as thTa the ok only ones other than the state page I follow for basketball.

Would be nice for a direct case play for this.

It's REF CHAT, officials mostly based out of the NYC area and North Jersey. The guy who runs it is a friend of mine from when he used to officiate down here in Virginia. But he's also one of the ones pushing the narrative that ball status does not matter in this situation.

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[bob jenkins]

It's been discussed here several times, and never sufficiently resolved, to my way of thinking.

[Mike Goodwin]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Sanity check since I'm no longer a rules nerd since coming off the court these last three seasons.

A1 is clearly in his shooting motion. Prior to the release of the shot, B2 and A2 foul each other. The try is successful.

Does continuous motion apply since one of the fouls was on the defense, or does continuous motion not apply since the double foul occurred while there was still team control prior to the release of the try.

Same situation, but the try is unsuccessful. Do we go to the AP arrow or does Team A get the ball back?


Now make the DF on A1 and B1 prior to the release of the try. Does that change any of the rulings?

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Rule 4-11-1 says, "Continuous motion applies to a try or tap for field goals and free throws, but it has no significance unless there is a foul by any defensive player during the interval which begins when the habitual throwing movement starts a try or with the touching on a tap and ends when the ball is clearly in flight."

Rule 4-11-3 says "Continuous motion does not apply if a teammate fouls after a player has started a try or tap for goal and before the ball is in flight. The ball becomes dead immediately."

Part of the definition of a double foul (4-19-8) includes fouls by both teams, one of whom is referenced in 4-11-3. This does not 'cancel out' simply by the fact there is also a foul by any defensive player as in 4-11-1.

Neither the rules book nor casebook contain an exception for a double foul as it relates to continuous motion.

As a result, the ball should become dead immediately when the double foul is ruled. Play would resume in the two scenarios above with a throw-in at the designated spot per rules 4-36-2a(1) and 7-5-3.