Disqualification Substitutes ...

[bucky]

At one point, Billy mentioned denying subs. A recent event, mini fight, our crew experienced involved a lot of moving pieces. There were FTs, ejections, subs, crowd members involved, game mgmt, reporting to the scorer a bunch of details, explanations to coaches, refs huddling, etc. We pumped the breaks to sort it all out before allowing any subs. We performed the tasks one at a time, very slowly, to ensure that we were following proper procedures. My point is that, at least for me, if there is a lot for my brain to process, then I will absolutely deny a sub until my, or our, thoughts are clear on what to do. There may be times when it is certainly OK to tell a sub to "wait a sec" in order to ensure proper protocols are met. If some coach/observer yells at me for denying a sub because there is no specific rule to do so, I will cite rule 2 section 3 all day long.

Lastly, regarding the plays discussed, I can easily see where only allowing the DQd sub first, quickly followed by the others would be warranted. Coaches/players/subs do all kinds of things quickly and again, citing my previous paragraph, things can get out of order quickly so slowing things down is perfectly acceptable IMO.

2 cents...

[bucky]

Also, I did not see (just browsed really) if anyone submitted the below info in regards to the original post. It was taken from https://www.scribd.com/document/7940...change-summary.


3-3-1c Substitution - When a player is disqualified or directed to leave the game, both teams may substitute up until it is time to put the ball in play.

RATIONALE: The current wording makes it sound like the substitutes for the other team had to have already reported before the required substitution...that is not the common practice among most all officials and not, the "spirit and intent" of that rule. This editorial change would simply clarify that IF a player has to be replaced, either because of being disqualified or some other rule infraction, that the opposing team can substitute up until it is time to restart the game.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bucky

Also, I did not see if anyone submitted the below info in regard to the original post.

Thanks bucky. Great citation.



"Say goodnight Gracie."

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Thanks bucky. Great citation.







"Say goodnight Gracie."

Still doesn't address what is the only real question in this conversation: can other subs come in before the disqualified player is replaced?

Bucky's citation backs up what 95% of us already do.

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[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Still doesn't address what is the only real question in this conversation: can other subs come in before the disqualified player is replaced?

Bucky's citation backs up what 95% of us already do.

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As I have stated before: Hold all of the other Substitutes (A6, A7, B6, B7, etc.) that are already waiting to enter and then bring in the Substitute (B8) for the Disqualified Player (B1) first and then 1 nanosecond (1x10**-9 seconds) after B6 has been beckoned into the Game beckon in A6, A7, B6, B7, etc.

MTD, Sr.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

As I have stated before: Hold all of the other Substitutes (A6, A7, B6, B7, etc.) that are already waiting to enter and then bring in the Substitute (B8) for the Disqualified Player (B1) first and then 1 nanosecond (1x10**-9 seconds) after B6 has been beckoned into the Game beckon in A6, A7, B6, B7, etc.



MTD, Sr.

I've been saying that also. But Billy was saying his state or local IAABO chapter put out something saying you can bring other subs in first.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Billy was saying his state or local IAABO chapter put out something saying you can bring other subs in first.

IAABO International told us to let them all in on our 2024-25 Refresher Exam.

26) B-1 fouls A-1, committing their fifth personal foul. While waiting for B-1’s replacement, A-6 and A-7 approach the table to enter the game. The official denies their entry, stating that A-6 and A-7 must wait and enter with B-1’s replacement. Was the official correct?

IAABO answer is "No". Reference cited for this question is 3-3-1-C.

On the IAABO International level, there was an IAABO representative (who edits our IAABO Refresher Exams questions and answers) on the NFHS 2024-25 rules committee.

But not everyone belongs to IAABO, there are only 15,000 IAABO members and there are certainly a lot more basketball officials than that.

Could somebody please post a current NFHS rule citation for holding some, or all, other substitutes until the replacement it made?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

As I have stated before: Hold all of the other Substitutes (A6, A7, B6, B7, etc.) that are already waiting to enter and then bring in the Substitute (B8) for the Disqualified Player (B1) first and then 1 nanosecond (1x10**-9 seconds) after B6 has been beckoned into the Game beckon in A6, A7, B6, B7, etc.

Is this a "best practice" (to which I agree) or an actual NFHS rule and/or and actual NFHS mechanic?

If so, a citation please.