Not Beckoned Technical Foul ???

[bob jenkins]

I'd also ask why the need to beckon at all?

In 99.9% of the cases:

1) the coach will see the affected player.

2) Any reasonable time lapse between the player (potentially) being injured and the time the coach gets out there won't affect the seriousness of the injury (e.g., the ACL is already torn, or not -- it's not going to "tear more" while the coach takes a few seconds to decide if the payer is really hurt or just landed awkwardly).

Our only real role is to deiced how long "immediately" is so we know when to resume play.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Any reasonable time lapse between the player (potentially) being injured and the time the coach gets out there won't affect the seriousness of the injury (e.g., the ACL is already torn, or not, it's not going to "tear more" while the coach takes a few seconds to decide if the player is really hurt or just landed awkwardly).

Sometimes a downed player just needs some comforting words from his or her coach. Parents expect coaches to do such, as so do many officials.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Sometimes a downed player just needs some comforting words from his or her coach. Parents expect coaches to do such, as so do many officials.

As do you, not many officials. All this stuff you're talking about is the first I've ever heard. I have never heard anybody discuss girls basketball this way. I have however, heard many girls coaches and former players complain about having their games officiated differently than boys games.

Might be time for you to join this decade and discard that "sugar and spice", "I gotta protect the weaker sex" philosophy.

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[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Sometimes a downed player just needs some comforting words from his or her coach. Parents expect coaches to do such, as so do many officials.

To the extent this is true -- then *let* the coach come out; don't *beckon* the coach to come out.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

To the extent this is true, then "let" the coach come out; don't "beckon" the coach to come out.

Good advice, especially with new rule and interpretation that implies that such a coach isn't charged with technical foul, while a "beckon" alone kicks in the "sit a tick or take a timeout rule".

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

To the extent this is true -- then *let* the coach come out; don't *beckon* the coach to come out.

Yep as long as they are going to their player we consider them beckoned. If we are stopping the game for an injured player,. 95% of the time the player needs to come off the court. Coach is coming already most of the time, occasionally you do have to beckon them.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

Yep as long as they are going to their player we consider them beckoned.

Forty-plus years ago, our local interpreter told us that if a coach entered the court to attend to an injured player without officially being beckoning, we were to “deem” him to be beckoned.

He didn’t want any technical fouls charged to coaches for leaving the bench (seat belt rule back then, coaching box later) to attend to an injured player without officially being beckoning.

The new interpretation seems to discourage technical fouls for anxious and impatient coaches.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Should a technical foul be ruled?

... there is an interpretation in the NFHS Casebook that implies that when bench personnel run onto the floor without being beckoned, the officials have rules support to merely direct the injured player to the bench.

3.3.6 SITUATION B: A1 appears to be injured and an official properly halts play and the Team A coach rushes onto the court to check A1. However, A1 is OK and seems ready to play within a few seconds. RULING: A1 must be removed as the coach came onto the court. A1 may remain in the game if the coach does not come on the court and A1 is ready to play immediately. If the coach or other bench personnel have come onto the court, the player must be replaced. There is no set amount of time as to what is “immediately,” but it should not involve more than a few seconds and it must be without the coach, athletic trainer or doctor being beckoned and/or entering the court. The coach may also request a time-out to keep the player in the game provided the replacement interval for the substitution has not begun. (10-4-2)

Based on this casebook play, we would not advocate for officials to issue a technical foul in this situation.

The NFHS may want to consider changing the wording in the rule to match the interpretation.

Now if the coach comes on to the court without being beckoned to tend to his player and to give me some "lip", well that's another story for another time.