Not Beckoned Technical Foul ???

[Camron Rust]

One of the rule changes this year will make that situation obsolete. If you beckon the coach, the player must go even if the coach does not enter the court. You can assume the case play will be updated to match. This change is merely to return to what it was just a few years ago.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

If you beckon the coach, the player must go even if the coach does not enter the court.

In my middle school games, especially girls, I almost always beckon as soon as a player goes down and stays down for a few seconds.

I've got to stop doing that almost automatically and start thinking about it for a second, or so.

"Is this player really hurt?"

"Should I beckon the coach?"

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

In my middle school games, especially girls, I almost always beckon as soon as a player goes down and stays down for a few seconds.

I've got to stop doing that almost automatically and start thinking about it for a second, or so.

"Is this player really hurt?"

"Should I beckon the coach?"

Why do you do it in girls games and not boys games?

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Why do you do it in girls games and not boys games?

Sugar and spice and everything nice.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Sugar and spice and everything nice.

I don't understand that response. I was asking a serious question about why you treat athletes differently based on gender when it comes to hitting the floor.

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[bob jenkins]

I'd also ask why the need to beckon at all?

In 99.9% of the cases:

1) the coach will see the affected player.

2) Any reasonable time lapse between the player (potentially) being injured and the time the coach gets out there won't affect the seriousness of the injury (e.g., the ACL is already torn, or not -- it's not going to "tear more" while the coach takes a few seconds to decide if the payer is really hurt or just landed awkwardly).

Our only real role is to deiced how long "immediately" is so we know when to resume play.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Any reasonable time lapse between the player (potentially) being injured and the time the coach gets out there won't affect the seriousness of the injury (e.g., the ACL is already torn, or not, it's not going to "tear more" while the coach takes a few seconds to decide if the player is really hurt or just landed awkwardly).

Sometimes a downed player just needs some comforting words from his or her coach. Parents expect coaches to do such, as so do many officials.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I was asking a serious question about why you treat athletes differently based on gender when it comes to hitting the floor.

While there are lots of exceptions, forty plus years of officiating, and twenty-five years of coaching of both boys and girls, including my own son and daughters, have taught me that girls and boys often deal with injuries and pain in different ways.

Girls are more likely to cry, to stay down, and are more likely to want a coach to comfort them on such occasions, and usually don't complain when the coach has them sit a few minutes on the bench to compose themselves.

Boys are less likely to cry, and often likely to be up and walking (limping) before the coach gets to them, insisting that they're alright, want to "walk it off, and want to keep playing.

Maybe the difference isn't observed as much at the college level (they're now young women not adolescent girls), but I definitely see this gender difference in my middle school games.

Again, there are lots of exceptions, many tough girls, and many soft boys.

Of course, it also depends on the injury. When girls go down with a knee injury, I immediately think about the possibility of an ACL injury.

Yes, boys can have ACL injuries, but statistics point out that girls are much more likely to sustain such an ACL injury.

The relative risk of ACL injury in women is 3 to 8 times greater than males.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

While there are lots of exceptions, forty plus years of officiating, and twenty-five years of coaching of both boys and girls, including my own son and daughters, have taught me that girls and boys often deal with injuries and pain in different ways.

Girls are more likely to cry, to stay down, and are more likely to want a coach to comfort them on such occasions, and usually don't complain when the coach has them sit a few minutes on the bench to compose themselves.

Boys are less likely to cry, and often likely to be up and walking (limping) before the coach gets to them, insisting that they're alright, want to "walk it off, and want to keep playing.

Maybe the difference isn't observed as much at the college level (they're now young women not adolescent girls), but I definitely see this gender difference in my middle school games.

Again, there are lots of exceptions, many tough girls, and many soft boys.

Of course, it also depends on the injury. When girls go down with a knee injury, I immediately think about the possibility of an ACL injury.

Yes, boys can have ACL injuries, but statistics point out that girls are much more likely to sustain such an ACL injury.

The relative risk of ACL injury in women is 3 to 8 times greater than males.

Except for your comment about young females suffering knee injuries at a higher rate than young males, the rest of that stuff must be a Connecticut thing. And I doubt it's a Connecticut thing that UConn's women's coach would agree with.

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