NCAAW rules question for tech during Ch game

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

No, the 2nd part does not require an advantage to be gained or attempted to be gained. It is for the act alone of making the ball unavailable to the official without regard to the effect.

While I'm not a college official, and I believe that the written rule can be better worded, for what I've learned from recent Forum posts, I agree. Purpose and intent is about delay, not advantage/disadvantage.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

While I'm not a college official, and I believe that the written rule can be better worded, for what I've learned from recent Forum posts, I agree. Purpose and intent is about delay, not advantage/disadvantage.

I don't even think that element is about delay. The first half of the sentence is about delay. The latter is about gamesmanship.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I don't even think that element is about delay. The first half of the sentence is about delay. The latter is about gamesmanship.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

NCAA-W Rule 4 Section 9 Delay
Art. 1. A delay is any action that impedes the progress or continuity of the game. Such actions include, but are not limited to:
a. Failure to supply scorers with data per Rule 3-4.1;
b. Consuming a full minute by not being ready when it is time to start either half or any overtime;
c. Delaying the game by preventing the ball from being promptly made live or by preventing continuous play, such as but not limited to, followers or bench personnel entering the playing court before player activity has been terminated. When the delay does not interfere with play, it shall be ignored, and play shall be continued or be resumed at the point of interruption;
d. Repeatedly delaying the game by preventing the ball from being promptly put into play, such as delaying the administration of a throw-in or free throw by engaging in a team huddle anywhere on the playing court;
e. Failure to have the court ready for play after the final horn to end any timeout;
f. Attempting to gain an advantage by interfering with the ball after a goal or by failing to immediately pass the ball to the nearest official after a whistle is blown; or
g. The opponents of the thrower-in having any part of their person beyond the vertical inside plane of any boundary line before the ball has crossed that boundary line.
Art. 2. One team warning shall be given for each of the delays in Rule 4-9.1.d through .g. Each warning shall be reported to the official scorer. Thereafter, a technical foul shall be assessed for the delay that has previously received a team warning.[/I]

NFHS 10-4- 5: A player must not: Delay the game by acts such as:
a. Preventing the ball from being made live promptly or from being put in play.
b. Failing when in possession, to immediately pass the ball to the nearer official when a whistle sounds.
c. The free thrower fails to be in the free-throw semicircle when the official is ready to administer the free throw unless the resumption-of-play procedure is in effect following a time-out or intermission.
d. Repeated violations of the throw-in, as in 9-2-10.

In both NCAA-W (not sure about NCAA-M) and NFHS, it's under the topic heading of "delay", no mention of "unsporting" (or gamesmanship) anywhere within the language of the rule.

In my high school games, besides a delay, I also consider it, more so, to be disrespectful.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

In my high school games, besides a delay, I also consider it, more so, to be disrespectful.

NFHS 2-17-4: Officials’ General Duties: The officials must conduct the game in accordance with the rules. This includes: Prohibiting practice during a dead ball, except between halves.

Pet peeve of mine is the player who, seconds after the end of period horn sounds, launches a long distance three pointer that invariably clangs off the rim and deflects to a far corner of the gym. No way am I going to retrieve that ball. NFHS 2-17-4 lacks teeth in the form of a penalty (unless it's a dunk) but the delay rule certainly does apply here.

NFHS 10-4-5-B: A player must not: Delay the game by acts such as: Failing when in possession, to immediately pass the ball to the nearer official when a whistle sounds.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Like I said before, while I have never charged a high school technical foul for such, I also have never ignored it, giving a stern warning every time it happens. "Do you know that I can charge you with a technical foul for that? Now please go and get me the ball."

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Pet peeve of mine is the player who, seconds after the end of period horn sounds, launches a long distance three pointer that invariably clangs off the rim and deflects to a far corner of the gym. No way am I going to retrieve that ball ... the delay rule certainly does apply here.

NFHS 10-4-5-B: A player must not: Delay the game by acts such as: Failing when in possession, to immediately pass the ball to the nearer official when a whistle sounds.

Of course, nothing is ever easy. Nothing is ever perfectly cut and dry.

We're taught locally (as I believe are all IAABO boards) to not sound our whistle and the end of a period unless something unusual (act of shooting, etc.) happens.

Too bad, I'm still invoking NFHS 10-4-5-B if a player pisses me off by taking a "practice shot" after the horn.

Why? Purpose and intent.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

"Do you know that I can charge you with a technical foul for that? Now please go and get me the ball."

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

In both NCAA-W (not sure about NCAA-M) and NFHS, it's under the topic heading of "delay", no mention of "unsporting" (or gamesmanship) anywhere within the language of the rule.

In my high school games, besides a delay, I also consider it, more so, to be disrespectful.

Fair enough, but it is still not under a "delay of game" where a team gets a warning. These things stand on their own and cross into the sportsmanship realm as much as the actual delay. In this play, she had zero reason to bat the ball of the court into the the first row. She was trying to show the officials up and rolled the dice with it ....and lost.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Fair enough, but it is still not under a "delay of game" where a team gets a warning.

Fully agree for high school. No warning by rule (not on the delay warning list).

Disagree for college (W). See Article 2. Subarticle F (pass the ball to the nearest official) is on the delay warning list.

NCAA-W Rule 4 Section 9 Delay
Art. 1. A delay is any action that impedes the progress or continuity of the game. Such actions include, but are not limited to:
f. Attempting to gain an advantage by interfering with the ball after a goal or by failing to immediately pass the ball to the nearest official after a whistle is blown;
Art. 2. One team warning shall be given for each of the delays in Rule 4-9.1.d through .g.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

These things ... cross into the sportsmanship realm as much as the actual delay ... trying to show the officials up ...

Agree.

Something (besides a striped shirt) has to separate officials (as the only unbiased arbiters of the game on the court) from the other participants in the game (players and coaches).

Without being a bully, or a dictator, we have to show that we're "in charge".

Expecting to be treated with a certain degree of respect is one of those ways that we show this, and one of the ways that we expect to be treated with respect is by not having to chase down the ball after every whistle.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Fair enough, but it is still not under a "delay of game" where a team gets a warning. These things stand on their own and cross into the sportsmanship realm as much as the actual delay. In this play, she had zero reason to bat the ball of the court into the the first row. She was trying to show the officials up and rolled the dice with it ....and lost.

When I first started officiating, I called one or two of these working military intramural games. I'm standing right next to the player asking for the ball and they shoot it 30 ft away.

Maybe one time I gave a T, another a delay warning.



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