NCAAW rules question for tech during Ch game

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Penalty administration is the same as high school.

Except for excessive TOs which is the ball to the offended team at POI; and all other admin Ts which are POI.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Except for excessive TOs which is the ball to the offended team at POI; and all other admin Ts which are POI.

I was referring specifically to the penalty administration that's listed under 10-12-3 for player/substitute technicals.

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[BhamGuy]

I think I know the answer to this question (I usually don't, though, which is why I ask). The rule cited was as follows below:

Rule 4, Section 9, Article 1F of the rulebook, which reads that a player can be assessed a foul for “attempting to gain an advantage by interfering with the ball after a goal or by failing to immediately pass the ball to the nearest official after a whistle is blown.”

My question:

Interfering with the ball after a goal clearly requires the player to attempt to gain an advantage (i.e., by slowing the other team down, I presume).

Does the 2nd part of that rule also require the player to attempt to gain an advantage (by failing to immediately pass the ball to the nearest official after a whistle is blown?)

I don't think it does, but I saw a journalist on Twitter say that because she was not attempting to gain an advantage, a Technical should not have been called, even though Iowa had already been warned for a delay of game.

I wish the rule were broken down into two separate sentences to make is crystal clear, but I think the portion coming after the comma is independent of the "advantage attempt" requirement.

Are am I wrong? (Wouldn't be the first time....today).

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BhamGuy

I think I know the answer to this question (I usually don't, though, which is why I ask). The rule cited was as follows below:

Rule 4, Section 9, Article 1F of the rulebook, which reads that a player can be assessed a foul for “attempting to gain an advantage by interfering with the ball after a goal or by failing to immediately pass the ball to the nearest official after a whistle is blown.”

My question:

Interfering with the ball after a goal clearly requires the player to attempt to gain an advantage (i.e., by slowing the other team down, I presume).

Does the 2nd part of that rule also require the player to attempt to gain an advantage (by failing to immediately pass the ball to the nearest official after a whistle is blown?)

I don't think it does, but I saw a journalist on Twitter say that because she was not attempting to gain an advantage, a Technical should not have been called, even though Iowa had already been warned for a delay of game.

I wish the rule were broken down into two separate sentences to make is crystal clear, but I think the portion coming after the comma is independent of the "advantage attempt" requirement.

Are am I wrong? (Wouldn't be the first time....today).

No, the 2nd part does not require an advantage to be gained or attempted to be gained. It is for the act alone of making the ball unavailable to the official without regard to the effect.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

No, the 2nd part does not require an advantage to be gained or attempted to be gained. It is for the act alone of making the ball unavailable to the official without regard to the effect.

While I'm not a college official, and I believe that the written rule can be better worded, for what I've learned from recent Forum posts, I agree. Purpose and intent is about delay, not advantage/disadvantage.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

While I'm not a college official, and I believe that the written rule can be better worded, for what I've learned from recent Forum posts, I agree. Purpose and intent is about delay, not advantage/disadvantage.

I don't even think that element is about delay. The first half of the sentence is about delay. The latter is about gamesmanship.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I don't even think that element is about delay. The first half of the sentence is about delay. The latter is about gamesmanship.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

NCAA-W Rule 4 Section 9 Delay
Art. 1. A delay is any action that impedes the progress or continuity of the game. Such actions include, but are not limited to:
a. Failure to supply scorers with data per Rule 3-4.1;
b. Consuming a full minute by not being ready when it is time to start either half or any overtime;
c. Delaying the game by preventing the ball from being promptly made live or by preventing continuous play, such as but not limited to, followers or bench personnel entering the playing court before player activity has been terminated. When the delay does not interfere with play, it shall be ignored, and play shall be continued or be resumed at the point of interruption;
d. Repeatedly delaying the game by preventing the ball from being promptly put into play, such as delaying the administration of a throw-in or free throw by engaging in a team huddle anywhere on the playing court;
e. Failure to have the court ready for play after the final horn to end any timeout;
f. Attempting to gain an advantage by interfering with the ball after a goal or by failing to immediately pass the ball to the nearest official after a whistle is blown; or
g. The opponents of the thrower-in having any part of their person beyond the vertical inside plane of any boundary line before the ball has crossed that boundary line.
Art. 2. One team warning shall be given for each of the delays in Rule 4-9.1.d through .g. Each warning shall be reported to the official scorer. Thereafter, a technical foul shall be assessed for the delay that has previously received a team warning.[/I]

NFHS 10-4- 5: A player must not: Delay the game by acts such as:
a. Preventing the ball from being made live promptly or from being put in play.
b. Failing when in possession, to immediately pass the ball to the nearer official when a whistle sounds.
c. The free thrower fails to be in the free-throw semicircle when the official is ready to administer the free throw unless the resumption-of-play procedure is in effect following a time-out or intermission.
d. Repeated violations of the throw-in, as in 9-2-10.

In both NCAA-W (not sure about NCAA-M) and NFHS, it's under the topic heading of "delay", no mention of "unsporting" (or gamesmanship) anywhere within the language of the rule.

In my high school games, besides a delay, I also consider it, more so, to be disrespectful.