does 10 second count not start over in D1 any more?

[JRutledge]

Just went back an saw this play.

There was an out-of-bounds violation in the BC that Oklahoma State Retained the ball in their BC. The shot clock said 25 seconds. They have until 20 to get it across as I said the shot clock never reset and there is a not a new 10-second count. They had 5 seconds.

Now not sure how well the crew communicated that to the players or the team. And maybe the player did not know the rule or did not realize they had to get it across (which they often don't) in 5 seconds.

But they got the rule right. And the broadcast went away from the floor and was doing some graphics, so it was not clear what communication was done or not done. Usually, talk about this in my pre-games (I am nowhere near these guys' levels BTW) at the small college level and even yesterday we talked about this situation when I worked. We said how we need to make it clear to everyone and each other if this happens when the violation can happen, even when it does not normally start at 30. You could have had a timeout at 25 and then the team has until 15 to get it across and usually there is still confusion on the teams or they are not aware the time changed.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

... You could have had a timeout at 25 and then the team has until 15 to get it across and usually there is still confusion on the teams or they are not aware the time changed.

So in college, a team that struggles against a press to get the ball over the division line in ten seconds can request a timeout and get the full ten seconds after the subsequent backcourt inbound (and the shot clock stays at whatever it was)?

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

So in college, a team that struggles against a press to get the ball over the division line in ten seconds can request a timeout and get the full ten seconds after the subsequent backcourt inbound (and the shot clock stays at whatever it was)?

Yes

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by johnny d

Yes

I learned a lot today.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

So in college, a team that struggles against a press to get the ball over the division line in ten seconds can request a timeout and get the full ten seconds after the subsequent backcourt inbound (and the shot clock stays at whatever it was)?

Isn't that what I said? Please do not ask a ton of random questions about what the rule is at the NF level or how it applies to something where you live. The rule is just different at the college level. They have been using a shot clock for a lot longer and wanted to speed up the game. No need to go into multiple variations of why it is that way or what might happen at the high school level. Nothing changes the 10-second count at the NF level unless a state adopts the rule differently. Otherwise, the rule is the same.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The rule is just different at the college level.

As I previously stated, I learned a lot today about college rules. I don't need to know such rules, but it might help me to understand the reasoning of an irate and confused high school coach who sees one rule on television and another in my game.

[thedewed]

OK, then that rule has changed since I officiated a decade or so ago. Used to be a reset and new 10 seconds. that explains why no one complained. lol.

Just curious, anyone remember when it was changed? It is a change for the better, although doesn't make sense you can call t/o to get a reset.

thanks,

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by thedewed

... doesn't make sense you can call t/o to get a reset.

A timeout isn't a steep price to pay to simply avoid a ten second violation?

[bob jenkins]

NCAAW is different from NCAAM on some of this.

It *used to be* that anytime there was a stoppage, the offense would get a new 10-seconds (similar to the HS rule). Now, the offense gets a new 10-seconds, except:

H -- Held ball and the arrow favors the offense
O -- ball out of bounds off the defense
T -- Time out request by the offense (this is different from NCAAM)
T -- Technical foul (administrative) to the team in control

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

A timeout isn't a steep price to pay to simply avoid a ten second violation?

It is when you only get one full time out and three 30s and one of the 30s doesn't carry over to the second half.

College rules are written by college coaches and college athletic directors. They want it that way. The rule was changed a few years ago for a reason. Because that's what college teams want.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

It is when you only get one full time out and three 30s and one of the 30s doesn't carry over to the second half.

Which is why I ended my post with a question mark, expecting an affirmative answer, "Yes, it is a steep price".

Originally Posted by BillyMac

A timeout isn't a steep price to pay to simply avoid a ten second violation?

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

A timeout isn't a steep price to pay to simply avoid a ten second violation?

And is the 80%-of-a-count rule still a thing too?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

And is the 80%-of-a-count rule still a thing too?

Ah, the infamous, ancient times "Change Of Status" rule.

I remember it well.

I actually thought about that as statements in the thread were posted about using a timeout to avoid a ten second violation and getting a new ten seconds.

For the young'uns, and many not so young'uns, the "Change Of Status" rule stated that officials could not grant a request for timeout when 80% of a count had passed (four for five seconds, eight for ten seconds), for example, on throwins, closely guarded, and ten seconds.

I actually had to use this odd rule a few times before it was taken out behind the barn and ceremoniously and humanely shot and put out of its misery.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by thedewed

OK, then that rule has changed since I officiated a decade or so ago. Used to be a reset and new 10 seconds. that explains why no one complained. lol.

Just curious, anyone remember when it was changed? It is a change for the better, although doesn't make sense you can call t/o to get a reset.

thanks,

I really do not remember. I know since the shot clock was at 30 for sure. I have worked a few leagues over the last 4 or 5 years and that rule has been in place I am sure for that time frame. But I have worked college ball for over 10 years.

Peace