HS Flopping

[SC Official]

The NFHS can make it a POE until the cows come home and it’s never going to get enforced at the HS level until you lessen the penalty to be similar to what it is in NCAA-M (1 shot, POI).

Flopping was a 2-shot technical for years in NCAA-M and no one enforced it. They added the warning and changed it to a Class B technical and made clear they wanted it enforced. That worked for a little while until they eliminated the warning.

[CJP]

I don't see a lot of high school players flopping while playing offense. I do sometimes see it on defense. Nothing agregous though. In all of the hundred of games I have witnessed, I saw a T for a defensive flop once and it was well deserved.

[SNIPERBBB]

Can't get guys to properly call charges now because they think a little lean back is a flop. Think encouraging that behavior more will help? I think not.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by CJP

I don't see a lot of high school players flopping while playing offense. I do sometimes see it on defense. Nothing agregous though. In all of the hundred of games I have witnessed, I saw a T for a defensive flop once and it was well deserved.

3pt shooters are the second most prolific floppers next to defenders on block/charges.

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[CJP]

Originally Posted by Raymond

3pt shooters are the second most prolific floppers next to defenders on block/charges.

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Very subjective observations. I just don't see it as a problem in my neck of the woods. Do kids fall with very minimal contact? Yes. Do kids wildly throw themselves without being touched? Very seldom. So infrequently that it is not worth extra emphasis to address.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by CJP

Very subjective observations. I just don't see it as a problem in my neck of the woods. Do kids fall with very minimal contact? Yes. Do kids wildly throw themselves without being touched? Very seldom. So infrequently that it is not worth extra emphasis to address.

It is my job to watch games, both at the college and high school levels. The three-point flop is definitely more prevalent at the college level. At the high school level, block/charge flops are still number one.

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[CJP]

Originally Posted by Raymond

It is my job to watch games, both at the college and high school levels. The three-point flop is definitely more prevalent at the college level. At the high school level, block/charge flops are still number one.

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Yeah...my initial comment was regarding high school basketball. I don't disagree that the most common form of faking a foul is the block/charge, but it is not worth POE. Not in my part of the country anyway.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Raymond

It is my job to watch games, both at the college and high school levels. The three-point flop is definitely more prevalent at the college level. At the high school level, block/charge flops are still number one.

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If there were an RA in HS basketball, you wouldn’t see as many block/charge flops there, either.

Too much risk of losing track of where you are and then getting charged with an RA block as a reward for your acting skills.


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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

If there were an RA in HS basketball, you wouldn’t see as many block/charge flops there, either.

Too much risk of losing track of where you are and then getting charged with an RA block as a reward for your acting skills.


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They flop everywhere on the court. They do not just flop in the lane. They flop outside the 3 point line all often in high school. Also not all contact in the RA is a foul either, so they could still flop there.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SC Official

The NFHS can make it a POE until the cows come home and it’s never going to get enforced at the HS level until you lessen the penalty to be similar to what it is in NCAA-M (1 shot, POI).

Flopping was a 2-shot technical for years in NCAA-M and no one enforced it. They added the warning and changed it to a Class B technical and made clear they wanted it enforced. That worked for a little while until they eliminated the warning.

When was it ever a 2 shot Technical? I do not remember that. If you mean they had the same lame wording as the NF and it was never discussed how to make that call, sure.

But ai cannot think of a time examples were on the videos shown or giving specific language to how or when to call a flop. What they are doing now and talking about is different.

Peace