Girls games

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If there is that good of girls basketball in the country, please tell me where that is. And honestly, that is not the point of why some never want to work girls basketball. When I work small college games, often there is a girls game before our game and they look undesirable most of the time. So if there is an abundance of girls games that people are working 30 and 40 a year consistently, I really would like to be informed where those great games can be or desirable enough for someone like me to work is wanting to work them. I say that because we have many D1 players in this area and they often do not play each other or they the majority of teams cannot compete with teams with those kinds of players on any level. It is mainly girls that get scores like 78 to 10 where I am from. A bad boys game might be 78 to 50, but it is not common to get that kind of score in most cases. And we have a running clock rule if you are 30 points in the 4th quarter which in my experience rarely happens. Even the game I did yesterday afternoon, the teams were widely different in talent and we never got to at 30-point differential in the game.
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Peace

Last night was an example of something that happens frequently in the region I'm in.

I went to observe GV/BV doubleheader last night between inner-city, archrival schools. The GV final score was 103-9, and the winning team had lost its previous game by 30 points. BV was 65-63 in OT.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

The GV final score was 103-9 ...

Wow! Any chance the winners were running up the score. We had such a game last year, also with girls, made national news, coach was suspended for a game.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/06/n...all-coach.html

Connecticut had many problems with running up the scores in football games about fifteen years ago. The CIAC responded with guidelines and penalties for such football situations.

One comment on the article, while it's true that Connecticut doesn't have any "mercy rule" for basketball, the article fails to mention that the NFHS does allow periods to be shortened with agreement of both coaches and the referee.

Here in Connecticut private Catholic high schools, such as the high school in the article, are grouped with public high schools in leagues, conferences, and the state tournament. They are quite often accused of "recruiting athletes" (technically not allowed) because they are allowed to enroll students from across town boundaries.

With the recent rise of "specialty" magnet high schools, also allowed to enroll students from across town boundaries, there have been a few accusations of "athlete recruitment" with magnet high schools, but just a few, not very widespread.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Last night was an example of something that happens frequently in the region I'm in.

I went to observe GV/BV doubleheader last night between inner-city, archrival schools. The GV final score was 103-9, and the winning team had lost its previous game by 30 points. BV was 65-63 in OT.

The score you first posted is not typical of my area, but the 30-point deficiet is often very common or something like it for sure.

To be fair, there was a score in a boys game a few weeks ago that was something like 101-24 (I will have to look it up). That was very unsual and it was noted that is not a score you see all the time.

I did in my very first post-season back in the 2000s have a game where the score was 101-41. I have never had a outcome that large in any post season game and almost never had one in any other boys varsity game since. Oh that was in 2004 and my very first Regional (everyone plays in the Regional in IHSA Basketball).

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The score you first posted is not typical of my area, but the 30-point deficiet is often very common or something like it for sure.

To be fair, there was a score in a boys game a few weeks ago that was something like 101-24 (I will have to look it up). That was very unsual and it was noted that is not a score you see all the time.

I did in my very first post-season back in the 2000s have a game where the score was 101-41. I have never had a outcome that large in any post season game and almost never had one in any other boys varsity game since. Oh that was in 2004 and my very first Regional (everyone plays in the Regional in IHSA Basketball).

Peace

Unfortunately, those types of scores are seen weekly on the girls side around here. And we're talking about conference games here, not a situation where a lot smaller school is playing against some powerhouse from out of district. We have one boys team that is susceptible to big blow-outs, but those are in the 40-50 point range, not 70-90 points.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Unfortunately, those types of scores are seen weekly on the girls side around here. And we're talking about conference games here, not a situation where a lot smaller school is playing against some powerhouse from out of district. We have one boys team that is susceptible to big blow-outs, but those are in the 40-50 point range, not 70-90 points.

I know and I have had on the boy's side only 1 running clock game between 2 states. Illinois has a 30-point deficit in the 4th quarter and Indiana has a 35 running clock in the second half (I believe). Neither has come close to happening in any game.

I hear all the time there are 50-point games on the girl's side.

Peace

[Rich]

I have thoughts on this, but they're really not important.

Officials have every right to choose to not work on the boys or girls side here.

Assigners have every right to choose not to use those officials, then. I'm about 10 years into assigning varsity for 24 schools, girls and boys. There are some officials I assign only boys to - they work a college schedule and we have a prearranged agreement.

Some other officials have tried this and frankly I would rather hire a dependable crew for more games who will work on both sides. Giving too many crews boys only means I have to give a lopsided numbers to other crews, and I don't want to do that, either.

And we pay the same on both sides, obviously ($80 this year, $85 next year), and use 3-person crews for every game.

[JRutledge]

Well, here we have a lot of assignors that only assign one gender. And many of them that assign boys do not give a lot of first opportunities to girls officials or officials that work a lot of girl's games as their primary. Now with the shortage, we might not have as much of that as an issue, but I never get asked to work girl's games anymore because I said long time ago what I was going to do and not do. I even interviewed for an assignor's job this past year and they were going to keep an assigning job with both genders they separated them after some interviews when they realized there were potential assignors that might not have the footprint with certain gender officials.

I am so glad honestly that we have a choice. At the end of the day, no one is going to make me work on something when I leave my house. If you cannot use be because of the choice, I can stay home.

Peace