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Old Tue Aug 16, 2022, 12:08am
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Like JRutledge, I would also like "more information" from the NFHS, but it's been two years and "not a peep", so I'm not "holding my breath".

I only hope that individual state "representatives" figure out in advance that there's a disconnect and address it themselves.

For example an individual shot clock state may decide to go with "touch" in varsity games with a shot clock, but go with "control" for a freshman or middle school games where the state decides not to use shot clocks.

Another individual shot clock state may decide to go with "touch" for all games, at all levels, with, or without shot clocks.

Of course the states that don't use any shot clocks will still have to go with "control".

Stupid NFHS.
They said what the rule was for the shot clock application. If you do not have a shot clock, you use the rule that is already stated in the book. KISS!!!!

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Old Tue Aug 16, 2022, 09:09am
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They said what the rule was for the shot clock application. If you do not have a shot clock, you use the rule that is already stated in the book. KISS!!!!
JRutledge: Did you have to put the second "S" in there?

Great post. Sounds very logical and reasonable.

Would still like to hear that from my local and/or state interpreter (trainers) if we ever decide to go with a shot clock in Connecticut (not a big shot clock push yet from Connecticut scholastic basketball stake holders). Hopefully it will be handled better than our recent Connecticut private prep school shot clock ten second fiasco (see above post).
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Old Tue Aug 16, 2022, 01:05pm
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They said what the rule was for the shot clock application. If you do not have a shot clock, you use the rule that is already stated in the book. KISS!!!!

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JRutledge: Did you have to put the second "S" in there?

Great post. Sounds very logical and reasonable.

Would still like to hear that from my local and/or state interpreter (trainers) if we ever decide to go with a shot clock in Connecticut (not a big shot clock push yet from Connecticut scholastic basketball stake holders). Hopefully it will be handled better than our recent Connecticut private prep school shot clock ten second fiasco (see above post).

The mantra of Structural Design Engineers: Keep It Simple!! Stupid!!

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Old Tue Aug 16, 2022, 02:03pm
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JRutledge: Did you have to put the second "S" in there?

Great post. Sounds very logical and reasonable.

Would still like to hear that from my local and/or state interpreter (trainers) if we ever decide to go with a shot clock in Connecticut (not a big shot clock push yet from Connecticut scholastic basketball stake holders). Hopefully it will be handled better than our recent Connecticut private prep school shot clock ten second fiasco (see above post).
Some people use the last "S" as "silly."

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Old Tue Aug 16, 2022, 04:54pm
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Silly Billy ...

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Some people use the last "S" as "silly."
Guilty as charged.
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Old Tue Aug 16, 2022, 09:20am
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They said what the rule was for the shot clock application. If you do not have a shot clock, you use the rule that is already stated in the book.
What "they said" and what trickles down to each individual shot clock state may not be exactly the same. Remember, the NFHS shot clock guidelines are only "recommended guidelines" that may vary from one shot clock state to another. It appears that the NFHS has given a lot of power to each individual state to set up their own shot clock rules (which could include the ten second rule).
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Old Tue Aug 16, 2022, 09:41am
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Here's my first "BillyMac" post:

KISS, an acronym for keep it simple stupid, is a design principle noted by the U.S. Navy in 1960.[1][2] The KISS principle states that most systems work best if they are kept simple rather than made complicated; therefore, simplicity should be a key goal in design, and unnecessary complexity should be avoided. The phrase has been associated with aircraft engineer Kelly Johnson.[3] The term "KISS principle" was in popular use by 1970.[4] Variations on the phrase include: "Keep it simple, silly", "keep it short and simple", "keep it short and sweet", "keep it simple and straightforward",[5] "keep it small and simple", "keep it simple, soldier",[6] "keep it simple, sailor", or "keep it sweet and simple".
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KISS, an acronym for keep it simple stupid ... Variations on the phrase include: "Keep it simple, silly", "keep it short and simple", "keep it short and sweet", "keep it simple and straightforward", "keep it small and simple" ... or "keep it sweet and simple".
Thanks Lcubed48. I didn't think that JRutledge would call me "stupid".

As a scientist, I prefer Occam's Razor, the problem-solving principle that "entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity", in other words, with competing explanations, the simpler one is preferred.

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Old Tue Aug 16, 2022, 12:34pm
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Occam's Razor, the problem-solving principle that "entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity", in other words, with competing explanations, the simpler one is preferred.
In my warped mind, this (below) is the simplest solution:

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High school basketball would be best served nationally if the NFHS would either change the ten second rule, or the shot clock guideline, so that they "match", pick either touch, or control, and make it a consistent law of the land for both shot clock games and non-shot clock games, interlevel, intrastate, or interstate.
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Thanks Lcubed48. I didn't think that JRutledge would call me "stupid".

As a scientist, I prefer Occam's Razor, the problem-solving principle that "entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity", in other words, with competing explanations, the simpler one is preferred.


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