NCAA Men's Tournament Officials (2022)

[ilyazhito]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Sadly it’s not really a thing to blow back tosses on TV games.

Why not? A bad toss is a bad way to start the game.

If the referee is not confident in his toss, he can let either umpire handle it. That might avoid the need to call back tosses in the first place.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

Why not? A bad toss is a bad way to start the game.

If the referee is not confident in his toss, he can let either umpire handle it. That might avoid the need to call back tosses in the first place.

You should not jump to these conclusions. No one is saying veteran referees are not confident in tossing jump balls. The comment is about calling back the occasional bad toss.

[ilyazhito]

I was curious why people don't call back bad tosses on TV games. A bad toss is embarrassing by itself, so I don't see how calling it back makes things worse.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

I was curious why people don't call back bad tosses on TV games. A bad toss is embarrassing by itself, so I don't see how calling it back makes things worse.

Almost all non-officials don't know what a bad toss is, they wouldn't know it if it smacked them in the face (apologies to Chris Rock).

A small number of officials don't know what a bad toss is, in fact, a small number of officials don't know all the jump ball rules.

Preemptive note to Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.: Shut up.

[ilyazhito]

You're saying that officials don't call back a bad toss because they wouldn't know how to recognize it?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

You're saying that officials don't call back a bad toss because they wouldn't know how to recognize it?

Originally Posted by BillyMac

A small number of officials don't know what a bad toss is ...

... especially in a two person game where the non-tosser has so many things to look for, possibly all ten players, and the ball.

Of course, not knowing, and not seeing, may be different things, but I'm pretty sure that there can be some overlap.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

You're saying that officials don't call back a bad toss because they wouldn't know how to recognize it?

That the benefit of calling it back is outweighed by the cost of calling it back, unless it's egregious. I didn't see the play in question so I won't comment specifically.

[ilyazhito]

Interesting. Yes, the timers will have to be reset and everyone will have to be brought back to the circle. However, it happens anyway when the tossed ball is not touched. I've never been on TV, so I don't know if TV officials think it's not worth the time taken.

Back to the OP, congratulations and good luck to the Final Four officials.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

That the benefit of calling it back is outweighed by the cost of calling it back, unless it's egregious.

Agree. Calling a toss back will only draw added attention to a less than perfect toss and might embarrass the tosser. Been in this situation several times as the non-tosser. Usually seems best to just play on, seldom getting complaints from players, coaches, or fans.

If I'm good friends with my partner, at halftime, I might say, "That wasn't the best toss". Seldom get partners asking why I didn't call the toss back, usually just get, "Yes, it wasn't my best toss". Really good friends might reply sarcastically, "Well then, why didn't you call it back?", which starts the ball busting and chain yanking, and after a few laughs, we get on to more serious issues to work on in the second half.

The rare times that I do call it (egregious) back, I will often apologize to my partner, "Sorry I had to call your toss back, it was real bad", to which I will often get a reply, "Yeah, it was pretty pathetic. Thanks".

It's a fine line ...

Originally Posted by BillyMac

...some have described jump balls as microbursts of mayhem.

[Multiple Sports]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

Why not? A bad toss is a bad way to start the game.

If the referee is not confident in his toss, he can let either umpire handle it. That might avoid the need to call back tosses in the first place.

Actually the D3 National Coordinator insisted that the everyone adhere to their positions as there were many people whom he didn't know when he watched them in person or on film. This way he could tell who was whom based on the information he received from that coordinator.

[ilyazhito]

Interesting. This means that the Referee assigned in Arbiter always tossed the ball during the D3 National Tournament. Hopefully all the tosses went off without any hitches.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

Interesting. This means that the Referee assigned in Arbiter always tossed the ball during the D3 National Tournament. Hopefully all the tosses went off without any hitches.

Not necessarily. Jim Haney's comments were mostly about who is assigned the games during the season and he does not know everyone. I am sure if he assigned a game in the D3 tournament, he is likely aware of who he assigned on some level. And this was said a few years ago. I believe he has access to more information, But if you are U2 and you toss the ball, then he might think the R is the person that tossed the ball.

Peace

[ilyazhito]

I don't know why MultipleSports brought this up, then. Another digression within a digression.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

... if you are U2 and you toss the ball, then he might think the R is the person that tossed the ball.

Is college like high school, where the referee, and only the referee, puts the ball at the disposal of the inbounder to start the second, third, and fourth periods (or the second half for college men)?

Also, based on the context in the above posts, I'm assuming that in college, like in high school, the referee has the option of assigning the jump ball toss to one of the umpire(s).

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Is college like high school, where the referee, and only the referee, puts the ball at the disposal of the inbounder to start the second, third, and fourth periods (or the second half for college men)?

Also, based on the context in the above posts, I'm assuming that in college, like in high school, the referee has the option of assigning the jump ball toss to one of the umpire(s).

That's not an absolute in college or HS.